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Homework Help: The generalization of Newton's 2nd Law to apply to variable mass systems

  1. May 24, 2010 #1
    F = dp/dt = d(mv)/dt = m(dv/dt) + v(dm/dt) = a + v(dm/dt)

    i dont understand why d(mv)/dt = m(dv/dt) + v(dm/dt)
    can somone help ?

    TNX !:smile:
     
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  3. May 24, 2010 #2

    ehild

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    How do you calculate the derivative of a product?

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  4. May 24, 2010 #3
    This is simply obtained by using the product rule.

    dp/dt = d/dt (mv) = m(dv/dt) + v(dm/dt) (using product rule).
     
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  5. May 24, 2010 #4
    I thought that Newton's second law was true only for systems with constant mass.
     
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  6. May 24, 2010 #5
    Well, written in the form of
    [tex] F=m \frac{dv}{dt} [/tex]
    it is valid inly for constant mass system since you assume that the mass is constant :P.

    But assuming, that mass is dependant on velocity, which is true (according to SR) you get what sedaw wrote.
    Thus, the best, most general form of Newton's 2nd law is
    [tex] F=\frac{dp}{dt} [/tex]
    as it doesn't imply anything being constant ;P
     
  7. May 24, 2010 #6
    I know that [tex]\bold{F}=\frac{d\bold{p}}{dt}[/tex] is Newton's second law, but I read that this was true only with constant masses. Also, I don't know much about special relativity (I just finished my freshman year) but I thought it proved that Galilean transformation was flawed. Since Newton's laws are based on Galilean relativity, I don't think SR can show that N2 holds even for variable masses. Can it?
     
  8. May 24, 2010 #7

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    Well, what you read was wrong. In nonrelativistic physics, [itex]\mathbf{F} = \mathrm{d}\mathbf{p}/\mathrm{d}t[/itex] is valid regardless of whether mass changes.

    If I remember correctly, in special relativity, Newton's second law (in the above form) is used to define the relativistic generalization of force. So that equation holds true in all cases. (Caveat: there are actually a couple of ways to define the relativistic generalization of force that are not quite compatible with each other... it turns out that force is not as useful a concept in special relativity as it is in non-relativistic, Newtonian physics.)
     
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