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The discussion revolves around the properties and products of quaternions, including specific calculations and definitions. Participants explore the relationships between quaternion components and vector products, as well as the implications of these operations in different mathematical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant queries the values of i², j², k², and the products ij, jk, ik, and ijk, asking for proofs and clarification on whether ij equals ji.
  • Another participant provides values for the quaternion products and states that the first one is a basic definition, suggesting that the rest follow from it, referencing Wikipedia for further details.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of vectors, suggesting that the product of two vectors results in a tensor of rank two, while also attempting to calculate the product of two specific quaternion expressions.
  • Another participant challenges the multiplication performed by the previous contributor, asserting that the product of two quaternions remains a quaternion and providing a corrected result for the multiplication.
  • This participant also discusses the definitions of vector products, mentioning the cross and dot products in \(\mathbb{R}^3\) and how they relate to quaternion multiplication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of vector products and the results of quaternion multiplication. There is no consensus on the correctness of the calculations presented, and multiple interpretations of vector and quaternion products are discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of quaternion products and vector operations remain unaddressed, and the discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps regarding the multiplication of quaternions and the nature of the resulting products.

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For example:
i^2=?
j^2=?
k^2=?
ij=?
jk=?
ik=?
ijk=?
Is ij=ji?
And how to prove them?

And also,vector times vector, what is the product?
 
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HeilPhysicsPhysics said:
For example:
i^2=?
j^2=?
k^2=?
ij=?
jk=?
ik=?
ijk=?
Is ij=ji?
And how to prove them?

And also,vector times vector, what is the product?

This is from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternions

i2 = j2 = k2 = ijk = -1
ij = k
jk = i
ki = j
ji = -k
kj = -i
ik = -j

The first one I think is the basic definition and the rest follow from that, some of the proofs are on the wikipedia page, and what do you mean by a vector times a vector? The above equalities allow a general definition of a product of quaternions.
 
Just like:
A=i+j+k
B=2i+3j-4k
They are both vector.
I heard that a vector times a vector become a tensor(rank two).
If ij=-k,ik=-j,jk=-i.
The product is:
(i+j+k)(2i+3j-4k)=-2-3k+4j-2k-3+4i-2j-3i+4=i+2j-5k-1
I think it is still a vector, not a tensor(rank two).
 
The product of two quaternions is still a quaternion (and quaternions are not vectors). You did the multiplication wrong up there, if A and B are as you had then AB is -7i + 6j + k - 1.

You can define many products between vectors, for example in \mathbb{R}^3 you have the usual cross and dot products (and the dot product generalizes to other spaces of course). Those two products can be read off the result of quaternion multiplication:

<1,1,1> \times <2,3,4> = <-7,6,1>

and

<1,1,1> \cdot <2,3,4> = 1 = -(-1).

In general if the product of two quaternions A = a_1 i + a_2 j + a_3 k and B = b_1 i + b_2 j + b_3 k is AB = C = c_1 i + c_2 j + c_3 k - c_4, then <a_1, a_2, a_3> \times <b_1, b_2, b_3> = <c_1, c_2, c_3> and <a_1, a_2, a_3> \cdot <b_1, b_2, b_3> = c_4.
 

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