Thermal efficiency of the Rankine cycle

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The discussion focuses on calculating the thermal efficiency of a Rankine cycle using saturated steam, with specific parameters including pressures and enthalpy values. A key issue raised is the missing pressure value in the deaerator, which is necessary for calculating enthalpy after the condensate pump. Participants clarify that the separator maintains pressure while separating moisture, and the pressure in the deaerator should not exceed 0.3 MPa. There is a consensus that estimating the pressure in the feedwater tank is crucial, with suggestions to use a rough estimate between 0.05 MPa and 0.3 MPa for calculations. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the system's pressure dynamics to accurately determine thermal efficiency.
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Calculate thermal efficiency of R-C cycle with saturated steam as shown in the picture. Steam has 4,5MPa when entering into HP part of the turbine (VT in the picture) and expansion on HP is finished at 0,3MPa. Moisture is then removed in the separator and steam is overheated to a temperature 8K less then before HP part of the turbine. Pressure in the condenser is 4kPa. Thermal efficiency of turbines is 85%, pumps 100%. You can neglect heat loss in the pipeline.
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Hello, I've encountered a problem with this cycle. I seem to miss value of the pressure in the deaerator (NN in the picture). Is there a way to calculate the pressure or calculate enthalpy without this pressure?[/B]

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I was calculating the enthalpy values for the thermal efficiency, but the absence of pressure in the deaerator stopped me in my tracks. I was able to calculate enthalpy after both parts of the turbine, but got stuck at a point 5, right after condensate pump. To calculate point 5, I need pressure in the deaerator. If I knew the pressure I would be able to calculate enthalpy after the deaerator and with this enthalpy, I would be able to calculate enthalpy after the condensate pump using the binding equation from the deaerator. [/B]
 

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Please describe in more detail your understanding of how the separator is operated, including control of pressure.
 
Wet steam goes into a separator at the pressure of 0.3MPAa. The separator separates this wet steam into a saturated liquid (shown as Beta in the picture) which goes into a deaerator through pressure reducing valve. This means, that the pressure in the deaerator is at most 0.3MPa. The saturated steam goes into a superheater at pressure of 0.3MPa and is heated to a temperature 8K less than before HP turbine. Not sure what do you mean by control of pressure. To my understanding, separator is device which does not change the pressure, only separates moisture from the wet steam.
 
Hatyk said:
Wet steam goes into a separator at the pressure of 0.3MPAa. The separator separates this wet steam into a saturated liquid (shown as Beta in the picture) which goes into a deaerator through pressure reducing valve. This means, that the pressure in the deaerator is at most 0.3MPa. The saturated steam goes into a superheater at pressure of 0.3MPa and is heated to a temperature 8K less than before HP turbine. Not sure what do you mean by control of pressure. To my understanding, separator is device which does not change the pressure, only separates moisture from the wet steam.
Since the process is continuous, there is no change in enthalpy of the saturated liquid going into the deaerator. Incidentally, when you say deaerator, you are not really implying that there is air in the system, right?
 
Oh, no air in the system, I thought it's just called that way even if there is no air in the system. Better translation would be feedwater tank I guess. I have no problem in determining the enthalpy of saturated liquid after the separator. Since I know the pressure in the separator I can just take enthalpy from lower boundary curve for that pressure. The problem is I have no way to calculate how much is the enthalpy changed by the pumps, since I can't interpolate entropy values for the pressure in the feedwater tank. The only solution I came up with so far is to calculate the optimal pressure for the highest thermal efficiency.
 
Hatyk said:
Oh, no air in the system, I thought it's just called that way even if there is no air in the system. Better translation would be feedwater tank I guess. I have no problem in determining the enthalpy of saturated liquid after the separator. Since I know the pressure in the separator I can just take enthalpy from lower boundary curve for that pressure. The problem is I have no way to calculate how much is the enthalpy changed by the pumps, since I can't interpolate entropy values for the pressure in the feedwater tank. The only solution I came up with so far is to calculate the optimal pressure for the highest thermal efficiency.
You have a rough estimate of the pressure in the tank, and that should be good enough. Shouldn't the enthalpy change of the pumps just be roughly ##v\Delta P##, where v is the specific volume.
 
I'm not sure if I have a rough estimate. I know that the pressure in the tank has to be lower than 0.3MPa and higher than 4kPa. Pressure of 4kPa is not much realistic, so I think I can safely assume that the pressure is between 0.05MPa to 0.3MPa. But I have no further means to guess the right number. Should I just pick some number in the middle, let's say 0.1MPa and run with it?
 
Isn't the outlet pressure going to be much higher?
 
I don't think so, you can have maximum 0.3MPa in the tank, because the saturated liquid from the separator has that pressure. Continuous mixing has to happen at constant pressure and you can't increase the pressure of saturated liquid from the separator, since it's going only through reducing valve before going into a tank. First pump hast increase pressure from the 4kPa to somewhere below or equal to 0.3Mpa and the second pump has to increase pressure to the 4.5MPa.
 
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Hatyk said:
I don't think so, you can have maximum 0.3MPa in the tank, because the saturated liquid from the separator has that pressure. Continuous mixing has to happen at constant pressure and you can't increase the pressure of saturated liquid from the separator, since it's going only through reducing valve before going into a tank. First pump hast increase pressure from the 4kPa to somewhere below or equal to 0.3Mpa and the second pump has to increase pressure to the 4.5MPa.
I guess I'm not too clear on the process setup. I thought there was only one pump. Still, the outlet pressures from the pumps seem much higher than the inlet pressures. So maybe inaccuracies in the inlet pressures are negligible.
 
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