Time Relativity: Does Velocity Change?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of time relativity, particularly focusing on how time dilation might affect physical phenomena, such as the velocity of objects and biological processes, in hypothetical scenarios involving varying rates of time passage. Participants explore both special and general relativity in relation to these ideas.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a scenario where time moves five times faster on one side of a room than the other, questioning how this would affect the velocity of a baseball thrown across the room.
  • Another participant states that clocks can run at different rates due to relativity effects, but challenges the feasibility of the proposed scenarios due to the lack of relative motion.
  • A different participant suggests that clocks can also run at different rates due to gravitational effects, using the example of clocks near a black hole.
  • One participant elaborates on the relativity of simultaneity, explaining how different observers can measure different amounts of time passing based on their relative motion.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of placing a hand in a box where time moves faster, with one participant noting that such a scenario is not possible in special relativity but could theoretically occur in general relativity, albeit with potential dangers.
  • Another participant mentions that extreme acceleration could lead to similar effects, but warns that such conditions would likely be fatal to a human body.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of the proposed scenarios, with some asserting that they cannot occur under current physical theories, while others suggest that they could be possible under certain conditions, particularly in general relativity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these scenarios.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of time dilation and the conditions under which it occurs, with participants referencing both special and general relativity without reaching a consensus on the implications of the proposed scenarios.

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I am a total physics idiot, but I do enjoy writing, I do enjoy science fiction, and I'd like to run this concept by people who know they're talking about.

So - time is relative, yes? If I count five seconds where I am, it is possible that ten seconds are passing in that same span of time for someone elsewhere, yes?

So, I'm in a room where time moves five times faster on one side than on the other. I throw a baseball at 10 mph from the fast side to the slow side - does anything actually happen to the velocity of the ball? Does it appear to me to slow down, even though it velocity never changes; or does it hit the wall of the slow side at 50 mph? I suspect I know the answer to this (it would just look like it got slower to me without actually changing velocity, right?) so I'll ask one more to my point.

Let's assume there's a box; time moves five times faster inside this box than it does outside. If I were to put my hand inside the box, what would happen? Particularly consider my blood -it's now flowing into an area where time moves faster, and flowing out of that arm into an area where time moves slower. This might be more of a biology question, insofar as it's a respectable question at all, but would I suffer any deleterious effects by putting my arm in such a box?
 
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Clocks go relatively fast or slow due to relativity effects, such as motion or acceleration. If the clocks are stationary with respect to each other they will keep the same time (not counting an extremely small effect from general relativity).

Your examples with the baseball and the box just can't happen, since there is no relative motion.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong - a very plausible scenario - but can't clocks go relatively fast or slow from by being in different levels of gravity, too? As in, if a stationary clock were a mile away from a black hole, it would appear to be slower than a stationary clock a thousand miles away?
 
ConstantineWW said:
So - time is relative, yes? If I count five seconds where I am, it is possible that ten seconds are passing in that same span of time for someone elsewhere, yes?
Even the notion of the "same span of time" is relative, because simultaneity is relative for events which occur at different locations in space. Suppose I am moving past you at 0.6c, and at the moment we pass by each other both of us set our clocks to zero. Then in your rest frame the event of your clock reaching 5 seconds is simultaneous with the event of my clock reaching 4 seconds, so according to your frame's definition of simultaneity less time has passed for me than for you in this "span of time". But in my rest frame the event of your clock reaching 5 seconds is simultaneous with the event of my clock reaching 6.25 seconds, so according to my frame's definition of simultaneity more time has passed for me than for you in this "span of time".
ConstantineWW said:
So, I'm in a room where time moves five times faster on one side than on the other.
In the absence of gravity ('special relativity'), time dilation is only based on speed, not location, at least if we are using an inertial frame as is usually done in special relativity. In the theory of "general relativity" which includes gravitation, there's an infinite variety of equally valid frames (a 'frame' is a spacetime coordinate system which is used to assign position and time coordinates to every point in space and time) to choose from, with different simultaneity conventions. In the spacetime around a spherical planet, the most commonly-used coordinate system would be Schwarzschild coordinates, and in these coordinates a clock closer to the center of the planet would be ticking slower than a clock farther from the center.
ConstantineWW said:
I throw a baseball at 10 mph from the fast side to the slow side - does anything actually happen to the velocity of the ball? Does it appear to me to slow down, even though it velocity never changes; or does it hit the wall of the slow side at 50 mph? I suspect I know the answer to this (it would just look like it got slower to me without actually changing velocity, right?) so I'll ask one more to my point.
There's ambiguity in your question because when you use words like "appear" it's not clear if you're talking about the coordinate speed in some frame like Schwarzschild coordinates, or if you're talking about actual visual appearances, how far away it looks to you at different times according to your own clock. The first depends on your choice of coordinate system while the second is coordinate-independent.
 
ConstantineWW said:
Let's assume there's a box; time moves five times faster inside this box than it does outside. If I were to put my hand inside the box, what would happen? Particularly consider my blood -it's now flowing into an area where time moves faster, and flowing out of that arm into an area where time moves slower. This might be more of a biology question, insofar as it's a respectable question at all, but would I suffer any deleterious effects by putting my arm in such a box?
In SR this cannot happen, in GR it could in principle (but might require exotic matter). The tidal forces would probably tear your hand apart.
 
ConstantineWW said:
Let's assume there's a box; time moves five times faster inside this box than it does outside. If I were to put my hand inside the box, what would happen? Particularly consider my blood -it's now flowing into an area where time moves faster, and flowing out of that arm into an area where time moves slower. This might be more of a biology question, insofar as it's a respectable question at all, but would I suffer any deleterious effects by putting my arm in such a box?
Something like this could happen, even in the absence of gravity, if you were undergoing extremely high acceleration. But to get that amount of time dilation over such a short distance would require such a huge acceleration that any human body would be crushed to death.
 

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