Torque required to rotate a hollow cylinder containing chips

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the design and calculation of torque required to rotate a hollow cylinder containing metal chips, specifically in the context of a prototype for removing cutting oil during Gun Drilling. Participants explore the mechanics involved, including the effects of air pressure and the arrangement of components.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on calculating the required torque, shaft diameter, and RPM for a prototype that rotates a netted cylinder containing 5 kg of metal chips.
  • Another participant requests a rough drawing of the arrangement to better understand the design.
  • A later reply questions the function of the pressurized air, suggesting that a strong blast may be necessary to effectively remove oil from the chips.
  • One participant suggests that supporting the central rod at its free end could significantly reduce the torque requirement and wear on the motor.
  • It is proposed that directing the air flow from underneath the cylinder, at an angle opposite to the direction of rotation, may help reduce rolling resistance and improve the drying process of the chips.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the mechanics of the design and the effects of air pressure, with no consensus reached on the specific torque requirements or the optimal arrangement for the air flow.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided specific assumptions or detailed calculations regarding the torque, shaft diameter, or RPM, leaving these aspects unresolved.

Sandeep Swarup
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I am designing a prototype to remove cutting oil from waste metal chip during Gun Drilling.
My prototype consists of a netted(meshed) metal cylinder rotating horizontally about its axis with help of shaft and a pressurised air blown from above. The metal chips will be put inside netted cylinder which will rotate with help of shaft through motor and oil wil drip down.

The only data I have is amount of metal chip that I will insert in hollow netted cylinder I.e 5kgs
How shall I proceed with calculation to find out required torque, shaft diameter,RPM
 
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Can you provide a rough drawing of the arrangement?
 
AZFIREBALL said:
Can you provide a rough drawing of the arrangement?
AZFIREBALL said:
Can you provide a rough drawing of the arrangement?
 

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PDF uploaded is the DESIGN of the prototype
 

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What does the pressurized air do again?
Quite a good blast would be needed to blow the oil off the chips if that is the intent.
 
Don’t know how much torque you’ll need, but I can tell you that the requirement will be significantly reduced by supporting the central rod at its free end. This would also reduce wear on the motor.

Also, since a lot of the resistance to rotation will come from the oily metal chips sticking together and trying to ride up the side of the mesh, having your air flow come up from underneath, at an angle opposite to the direction of rotation, will also help reduce rolling resistance, while drying the chips more quickly. It would tend to break up the clumps and expose more surface area.
 

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