Train whistles; moving/stationary sound and velocity

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Two trains emit 516-Hz whistles, with one stationary and the other approaching, creating a 3.5-Hz beat frequency heard by the conductor of the stationary train. The frequency perceived by the stationary conductor is calculated to be 519.5 Hz using the beat frequency formula. Applying the Doppler effect equation, the speed of the moving train is determined to be 2.31 m/s. There is a brief discussion about the accuracy of this speed, with confirmation that the calculations are correct. The conversation also touches on a common misconception regarding the beat frequency formula related to closed pipes.
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Homework Statement



Two trains emit 516-Hz whistles. One train is stationary. The conductor on the stationary train hears a 3.5-Hz beat frequency when the other train approaches. What is the speed of the moving train?

b = beat
f'_b = 3.5 Hz
f = 516 Hz

Homework Equations



f_b = |f_1 - f_2|
v_sound = 343 m/s (speed of sound in 20°C air)
Doppler equation for "source moving toward stationary observer":
f' = f/(1+(v_source/v_sound))

The Attempt at a Solution



First I'll tweak the beat frequency equation to solve for what the stationary train conductor hears as the frequency of the moving train's whistle.
f'_b = |f' - f| <<< f' > f since the train is moving TOWARD him.
3.5 Hz = |f' - 516 Hz|
f' = 519.5 Hz

Now I'll substitute all values into the Doppler equation to find the velocity of the moving train.
519.5 Hz = 516 Hz / (1 - (v_source / 343 m/s) )
v_source = 2.31 m/s

Though possible, this seems like a low speed for a moving train. Did I do everything correctly?
Thank you!
 
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Yes you did everything fine.
 
I may be a little late, but I think I got the error.
The beat frequency is:
f_b = (f1 - f2) / 2
You forgot to divide by 2. Then you get a sommewhat higher velocity.
 
Actually you don't divide by 2 in that formula. I got the answer right. But thanks for checking for me!

You may be thinking of the formula to check if a pipe is closed by looking at the frequency of sound traveling through it:
f_closed = (fn1-fn2)/2
n_closed = fn1/f1closed
 
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