Engineering Transistor circuit: Determine source resistance

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The discussion focuses on calculating the source resistance (Rs) for a transistor circuit to achieve a drain current (ID) of 4 mA, given specific parameters like k and Vt. Participants clarify that the quiescent input voltage (u_in) can be assumed to be zero for DC analysis, as it represents the condition when no input signal is applied. They emphasize that the gate-to-source voltage (Vgs) must be appropriate for the transistor's operation, and the capacitor acts as an open circuit for DC analysis. The gain (A) can be determined by analyzing the circuit with the AC source after establishing the DC conditions. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of understanding quiescent conditions in small-signal amplifier design.
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Homework Statement



Calculate Rs so that the draincurrent ID = 4 mA. Vad does the gain A become? uo/ui? For the transistor:

k = 3 mA/V^2
Vt = -2 V

also:

R1 = 50 k ohm
Rd = 2.2 k ohm
C = infinity for signalfrequencies

image of circuit:

http://sv.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=9pyq9z&s=8#.VSbHQfl_vxM

Homework Equations


i_{ds} = \frac{1}{2}k(v_{gs} - V_{t})^{2} (1)

The Attempt at a Solution



I_{D} = 4 mA (2)
v_{d} = E - R_{D}\cdot I_{D} (3)
v_{s} = R_{S}\cdot I_{D} (4)
v_{ds} = ?

From equation 1 we can get v_gs, that is the voltage between gate and source. But I still don't know how to get RS since I don't know u_in or v_ds.
 
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I think you are supposed to calculate Rs so that the quiescent current Id = 4mA. So you can assume that u_in = 0. Then you know Vg so you can write an equation for Ids (which you are given) in terms of Rs and solve for Rs.
 
phyzguy said:
I think you are supposed to calculate Rs so that the quiescent current Id = 4mA. So you can assume that u_in = 0. Then you know Vg so you can write an equation for Ids (which you are given) in terms of Rs and solve for Rs.

I don't understand why u_in = 0 just because it is the quiescent current?
 
Well, I don't know for certain what the problem had in mind, but it looks like a small signal amplifier. So probably u_in is a small AC signal with an average value of zero, which best amplified and the amplified signal appears at u_out. The quiescent current is the current flowing when no input signal is applied, which means that u_in = 0. To be sure, maybe you should ask whoever assigned the problem whether you can assume that u_in = 0 when calculating Rs.
 
phyzguy said:
Well, I don't know for certain what the problem had in mind, but it looks like a small signal amplifier. So probably u_in is a small AC signal with an average value of zero, which best amplified and the amplified signal appears at u_out. The quiescent current is the current flowing when no input signal is applied, which means that u_in = 0. To be sure, maybe you should ask whoever assigned the problem whether you can assume that u_in = 0 when calculating Rs.

From earlier examples I've seen in lectures that u_in is nonzero in quiesent operation. For example: U_gsq = 5 V, U_dsq = 5.5 V and I_dsq = 4.5 mA.

I got the right answer so you are most probably right. But the quiescent current is a DC current so the quiescent input voltage must also to be a DC voltage. How do I know u_in = 0 produces a quiescent current of 4 mA? Since I am calculating on the quiescent current I am only taking the DC voltage part of u_in otherwise I would had to do my calculations on the small-signal model.
 
beyondlight said:
But the quiescent current is a DC current so the quiescent input voltage must also to be a DC voltage.

The quiescent current is defined as the current that flows even when the input voltage and input current are zero. It is a current intentionally set up in the circuit so that the amplifier is biased at a point at which it will function properly.
 
beyondlight said:
From earlier examples I've seen in lectures that u_in is nonzero in quiesent operation. For example: U_gsq = 5 V, U_dsq = 5.5 V and I_dsq = 4.5 mA.
Gate-to-source voltage in your circuit will be non=zero too. It makes no difference to the transistor whether source is zero volts and the gate has a negative potential, or whether the gate is zero and the source is at some positive potential (as here). The important figure is that VGS is appropriate.
 
For the DC analysis, you should be assuming ##u_{in} = 0##. You can superimpose the AC analysis separately afterwards.

I'm assuming there is a common ground, so this would lead to ##V_G = 0## because ##I_G = 0##.

The capacitor is an open circuit for DC, so all that is left is to find ##V_{GS}## using the saturation current ##I_D##.

Then simply using the facts ##V_{GS} = V_G - V_S## and ##I_D = I_S##, you can solve for ##R_S = \frac{V_S}{I_S}##.

As for the gain, simply look at the circuit with the AC source non-zero and all DC sources grounded. The capacitor will behave like a short circuit so its probably a good idea to re-draw the circuit to be careful.
 

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