Trouble finding the derivative

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function y=x ln (x+\sqrt{1+x^2})-\sqrt{1+x^2}, which involves logarithmic and square root components.

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  • Participants discuss the challenges posed by the logarithmic part of the function and question the derivative of the square root component. There are attempts to clarify the signs in the derivative calculations.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into specific parts of the derivative and questioning each other's reasoning. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some guidance has been offered regarding the derivative of the square root function.

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Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings regarding signs in their calculations and the complexity introduced by the logarithmic function.

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Hi

I'm having trouble finding the derivative of this function.

[tex]y=x ln (x+\sqrt{1+x^2})-\sqrt{1+x^2}[/tex]

This is what I've tried so far, but I seem to be getting nowhere.
 

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Hi raul!
The nasty part of this is, of course the logarithm part, and possibly rearranging the expression you get afterwards.

For starters:
What is the derivative wrt. x of [itex]\sqrt{1+x^{2}}[/itex]?
 
[tex]-\frac{x}{\sqrt{1+x^2}}[/tex] ?
 
Why the minus sign??
 
Right, no minus sign there.. my bad.

However, now I get [tex]\ln(x+\sqrt{1+x^2})[/tex]
Is this correct?
 

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