Type 1 Superconductors & Static B field density

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of Type 1 superconductors in relation to magnetic fields, specifically focusing on the Meissner effect and the phenomenon of flux focusing. Participants explore theoretical scenarios involving the arrangement of superconductors and dipole magnets, and the implications for magnetic flux density in these contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a theoretical setup involving a box made of a cooled Type 1 superconductor with holes for a dipole magnet, questioning the behavior of the magnetic field in this configuration.
  • Another participant identifies the phenomenon as "flux focusing," noting its applications in magnetometry and the tendency for local magnetic fields to exceed applied fields in superconductors.
  • A participant inquires about the potential amplification of magnetic fields using additional dipole magnets and the size of the hole, suggesting that significant static field strengths could be achieved.
  • One participant provides estimates for the amplification effect, mentioning typical values of 10-20, while also highlighting the limitations imposed by the critical field of Type 1 superconductors.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the critical field limitations for Type 1 superconductors and the behavior of Type 2 superconductors in relation to vortex formation at higher fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of flux focusing and its implications, but there are differing views on the extent of amplification possible and the limitations posed by the critical fields of different types of superconductors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the maximum achievable field strengths and the specific behaviors in the absence of a return path for the magnetic field.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the specific values for amplification or the exact conditions under which the superconductors would transition back to a normal state. Limitations related to the geometry of the setup and the critical fields of superconductors are acknowledged but not fully explored.

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So it would appear that the type 1 meissner effect allows for the localized increase of magnetic flux density (as the displaced field must go somewhere, the B field is somewhat larger at the surfaces of the superconductor then elsewhere, and in fact is a higher value then anywhere prior to the superconducting transition.)

What would be expected to happen if this experiment could be arranged?

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So basically - imagine a box made entirely of a cooled type-1 superconductor (walls thick enough that we can ignore the London penetration depth) with two holes : one just the right size to insert half of a dipole magnet, and another above this.

The flux lines of the magnet would be unable to penetrate the superconductor to loop back to the south pole, except by means of the circular hole (or in practice, whatever gap there is between the magnet and the superconductor)

Does that mean we would see a significantly larger B field at that hole? Would all the lines really be forced to travel through that area to return to the south pole?

What if the gap was removed and there was no possible return path that did not pass through the superconductor?

Or would the static field strength of the magnetic cause the superconductor to return to a normal state by exceeding its critical field density? (It seems like those values for Hc are quite high and usually occur as the result of using a superconductor as an electromagnet in particle accelerators / NMR machines / etc)
 
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This is known as "flux focusing" and is well known. It has many applications in e.g. magnetometry (the effect can be used to "amplify" an external field). It is something one always has to consider when working with superconductors, especially thin film devices where this effect occurs all the time, the local B fields can be much higher than the applied field.

So, yes, most of what you are writing is correct; the field "has" to go through the hole. I suspect that answer to the situation without a hole would be that the field would simply go back via the magnet itself (e.g. along the surface).
 
Thanks, i'll have to look into this.

Are there any estimates of how large the amplification can be made? I'm curious since it would seem that with say, additional rare Earth dipole magnets and a small enough hole you could produce very large static field strengths - perhaps on par or larger then those created with high field superconducting electromagnets - albeit only in a very small area.
 
The focusing effect depends on the geometry, typical values are -as far as I can remember- about 10-20 at most; at least for the circuits I've designed/used.

Remmber that one limitation of this effect is the cricital field of the superconductor itself (which for type I superconductors is pretty low); this means that it can't be used to "amplify" the field to very high values. For type II superconductors (used in magnets) the limitation is the field where you instead start to create vortices (again not a very high field).
 

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