Intro Physics Undergrad Thermal Physics recommendations

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The discussion centers on the challenges of studying thermodynamics in an undergraduate course, particularly with a poorly rated instructor. Participants express concerns about the effectiveness of H. B. Callen's textbook, "Thermodynamics and an Introduction to Thermostatistics," suggesting that its postulatory approach may be outdated. Some argue that a foundational understanding of molecular physics and statistical mechanics would be more beneficial. The mention of Robert H. Swendsen's book, which is influenced by Callen's text, highlights alternative resources. There is a consensus that while Callen's book may be suitable for certain experimental courses, a more modern approach, integrating quantum statistics after foundational courses, could enhance understanding of thermodynamics.
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Hey guys, I have Thermal as a course in this (undergrad) semester and the teacher is very bad. Any book recommendations for me to study entirely on my own? This is what we have to cover in the course:
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H. B. Callen, Thermodynamics and an Introduction to
Thermostatistics, John Wiley&Sons, New York, Chichester,
Brisbane, Toronto, Singapore, 2 edn. (1985).
 
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vanhees71 said:
H. B. Callen, Thermodynamics and an Introduction to
Thermostatistics, John Wiley&Sons, New York, Chichester,
Brisbane, Toronto, Singapore, 2 edn. (1985).
Do you think the postulatory approach of Callen is a good way to learn thermodynamics ? I have heard that it is an outdated way of learning thermodynamics instead of building ground up from molecular physics and thermo statistics.

By the way, Robert H Swendsen ( a student of Callen ) has written An Introduction to Statistical Mechanics and Thermodynamics influenced by Callen's text.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0198853238/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
From a theoretical point of view that may be right. You can do everything without "phenomenological thermodynamics", just starting from the Liouville equation in mechanics, but I don't think that this is a good idea in the undergrad curriculum. Classical statistics is anyway a delicate subject, and I'd rather wait with statistical physics until after the QM 1 lecture and teach it right away as quantum statistics, with the classical statistics as the corresponding limit. On the other hand in the experimental-physical course you also have thermodynamics in the 1st semester, and for such a course, I don't know any better book than Callen.
 
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The book is fascinating. If your education includes a typical math degree curriculum, with Lebesgue integration, functional analysis, etc, it teaches QFT with only a passing acquaintance of ordinary QM you would get at HS. However, I would read Lenny Susskind's book on QM first. Purchased a copy straight away, but it will not arrive until the end of December; however, Scribd has a PDF I am now studying. The first part introduces distribution theory (and other related concepts), which...

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