Understand Relativity & Lorentz Transformation - Aaron

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the Lorentz Transformation in the context of relativity, specifically addressing the implications of time and position in different reference frames. Participants explore the relationship between the coordinates of objects moving at different velocities and how these relate to the transformation equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Aaron expresses confusion about the term "x" in the Lorentz Transformation equation, questioning how time in frame F' depends on the position of object O.
  • One participant clarifies that the time experienced in frame F' does not depend on object O itself, but rather on O's position.
  • Aaron acknowledges a misunderstanding, stating that x' and t' are coordinate labels in frame F' and can be calculated for each object, such as O and P.
  • Another participant confirms that t' represents the coordinate label for an event in the primed frame, indicating that different events will have different coordinate labels.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the Lorentz Transformation and the nature of the coordinates in different frames, but there is an initial disagreement regarding the dependency of time on the position of objects.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential confusion arising from intuitive understandings based on non-relativistic physics, which may not apply in relativistic contexts.

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Hi all,I am trying to understand relativity and Lorentz Transformation more clearly but I have some problems. Assume that we have frame F' which is moving at velocity v with respect to F. Now assume we have an object, O, moving at velocity, w, with respect to F. Frame F has its own time, t, and the position of O is x = wt. Now, if I want to find the position of O in frame F', I need to apply the Lorentz Transformation to find x' and t'. The equation for t' is,

t' = γ(t - vx/c2)

My confusion is the term "x" in the above equation. This suggests that time experienced in F' depends on O, since x is the position of O. So if I were to introduce another object, P, moving at a velocity, u ≠ w with respect to F, then t' would be different for O and P. Intuitively, I would think that t' only depends on v. Please let me know where I have made my mistake.thanks,
Aaron
 
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doaaron said:
This suggests that time experienced in F' depends on O, since x is the position of O.
It doesn't depend on O, but on O's position.

Excluding the above sentence, your only mistake is leaning towards your intuition which you acquired by living in a non-relativistic world and studying non-relativistic physics.
 
Thanks for the reply. Actually I think I understand my mistake. x', t' simply describes a coordinate in frame F', so it is possible to calculate x', t' for each object, O, P etc.

thanks,
Aaron
 
doaaron said:
Thanks for the reply. Actually I think I understand my mistake. x', t' simply describes a coordinate in frame F', so it is possible to calculate x', t' for each object, O, P etc.

thanks,
Aaron

Yes, the t' is the coordinate label for an event O in the primed frame. Or a different event K, it will have a similarly different set of coordinate labels.
 

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