Understanding Function Expansion: Mathematically Explained by Non-Mathematicians

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical representation of a function expressed as a series expansion, specifically focusing on the form f ≈ f_0 + ε f_1(x) + ε² f_2(x) + ... where f_0 is an equilibrium value and higher-order terms represent non-equilibrium values. Participants are exploring the implications of this representation and its relation to Taylor expansions, particularly in the context of small parameters.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the validity of using the series expansion for non-mathematicians and whether it aligns with traditional Taylor series. There is a discussion about the nature of asymptotic expansions versus Taylor series and the conditions under which they can be applied. Some participants are exploring the independence of terms in the expansion and their implications for solving related problems.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and asking for clarifications. Some have offered guidance on the nature of asymptotic expansions and the relationship between the terms in the series. There is an interest in understanding how these expansions can be applied in specific contexts, such as the Chapman-Enskog expansion.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted the lack of specification regarding the domain or codomain of the function, which raises questions about the strict definition of a function in this context. The assumption that ε is a small parameter is also a point of discussion, as is the independence of the terms in the expansion.

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Homework Statement


Hi

I have sometimes seen a function f being written as
<br /> f \approx f_0 + \varepsilon f_1(x)+ \varepsilon^2 f_2(x) + \ldots<br />
where f_0 is an equlibrium value and all higher-order terms are non-equilibrium values (not derivates!). The assumption has always been that \varepsilon \ll 1.

My question is: Mathematically, I guess we are expanding the function f around its equlibrium value. But when I look at the expression for a Taylor expansion, I can't make this fit with anything.

Are we non-mathematicians even allowed to write the function like this?
 
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Niles said:

Homework Statement


Hi

I have sometimes seen a function f being written as
<br /> f \approx f_0 + \varepsilon f_1(x)+ \varepsilon^2 f_2(x) + \ldots<br />
where f_0 is an equlibrium value and all higher-order terms are non-equilibrium values (not derivates!). The assumption has always been that \varepsilon \ll 1.

My question is: Mathematically, I guess we are expanding the function f around its equlibrium value. But when I look at the expression for a Taylor expansion, I can't make this fit with anything.

Are we non-mathematicians even allowed to write the function like this?
Thank you for using the (much prettier looking) \varepsilon for your epsilons. :-p

Well, us math-folk sometimes have a dislike for approximations and what you have written doesn't specify a domain or codomain (so we wouldn't technically call it a function by strict definition), but I see no other reason why you couldn't do that.

If your ##\{f_i\}## follow some sort of pattern, we can probably solve the limit $$f(x)=\lim_{n\rightarrow+\infty}\sum_{0\leq i\leq n}\varepsilon^if_i(x).$$

Can you give us more information? I'm interested in understanding what you're doing here.
 
Niles said:

Homework Statement


Hi

I have sometimes seen a function f being written as
<br /> f \approx f_0 + \varepsilon f_1(x)+ \varepsilon^2 f_2(x) + \ldots<br />
where f_0 is an equlibrium value and all higher-order terms are non-equilibrium values (not derivates!). The assumption has always been that \varepsilon \ll 1.

My question is: Mathematically, I guess we are expanding the function f around its equlibrium value. But when I look at the expression for a Taylor expansion, I can't make this fit with anything.

That looks like an asymptotic expansion, not a Taylor series. In such expansions we usually don't care whether
<br /> \lim_{N \to \infty} \sum_{n=0}^N \epsilon^n f_n(x)<br />
even exists; what we're interested in is whether \sum_{n=0}^N \epsilon^n f_n(x) for some finite N is a sufficiently good approximation to some F(x,\epsilon) when |\epsilon| \ll 1.

Generally the idea is to exploit a small parameter to turn a problem we can't solve analytically for F(x,\epsilon) into a series of problems we can solve for the f_n.
 
Thanks for the help so far, both of you.

pasmith said:
Generally the idea is to exploit a small parameter to turn a problem we can't solve analytically for F(x,\epsilon) into a series of problems we can solve for the f_n.

That is exactly how it is used in my case (a Chapman-Enskog expansion). But doesn't this require that the various terms f_n are somewhat independent, so we can solve for each order independently?
 
Suppose you have a function of the two variables ε and x, f(ε,x) and you expand in a Taylor series in ε about ε=0. Then you get:

f(ε,x)=f(0,x)+ε\left(\frac{\partial f(ε,x)}{\partial ε}\right)_{ε=0}+\frac{ε^2}{2}\left(\frac{\partial^2 f(ε,x)}{\partial ε^2}\right)_{ε=0}+ ...
Then you can identify the functions in your summations with the partial derivative terms in this series.
 
Niles said:
Thanks for the help so far, both of you.



That is exactly how it is used in my case (a Chapman-Enskog expansion). But doesn't this require that the various terms f_n are somewhat independent, so we can solve for each order independently?

The problem for f_n should depend only on f_0, \dots, f_{n-1}, so that one can work forward from f_0.
 

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