Unit vector cross products in different co-ords

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The discussion revolves around determining the signs of cross products of unit vectors in cylindrical coordinates. The original poster presents specific examples of cross products involving unit vectors r, theta, and z, expressing confusion about the resulting signs.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various methods to determine the direction of cross products, including reference to the sine and cosine relationships in different quadrants. There is also mention of using familiar coordinate relationships to aid in understanding.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different approaches to clarify the signs of the cross products. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between the vectors and their respective angles, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of vector operations in cylindrical coordinates, and there may be assumptions about the familiarity with vector mathematics that are not explicitly stated. The original poster's confusion about the signs indicates potential gaps in understanding the underlying principles.

Jesssa
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hey,

i've been trying to work out how to determine the sign of cross products of unit vectors,

for example in cylindrical,

r x z = - theta

theta x z = r

r x theta = z

i can't figure out the sign,

r x z = |r||z|sinβ theta where β is the angle between them, which is 90°,

and the length of the vectors are 1

how can you tell that its actually -theta?
 
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I can think of 3 different ways to figure this out. You are probably familiar with at least one of them. When you have a cross-product between two vectors, how do you usually work out the direction of the resulting vector?
 
Hey Jesssa and welcome to the forums.

Consider that a x b = |a||b|sin(a,b)N where N is the normal vector and also <a,b> = |a||b|cos(a,b) where a x b is the cross product and <a,b> is the dot or inner product for Cartesian three dimensional space.

Now consider what sin(a,b) and cos(a,b) should be (in terms of sign) for the various quadrants.
 
i remember it by thinking that θ is in the same direction as y, and then using x x y = z etc :wink:
 

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