Unraveling the Mystery of Beat Frequencies in Musical Instruments

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The discussion revolves around the concept of beat frequencies in the context of two out-of-tune flutes producing different frequencies and their interaction with a tuning fork. Participants are exploring how to determine the frequency of the tuning fork based on the beat frequencies observed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to apply the formula for beat frequency and are questioning how to correctly interpret the results based on the absolute value of frequency differences. There is discussion about the implications of the tuning fork's frequency being higher or lower than the flute frequencies.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the absolute value in the beat frequency equation, suggesting that both potential cases for the tuning fork's frequency need to be considered. There is a recognition of the need to analyze both flutes to determine the correct frequency.

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Participants express uncertainty about their understanding of the physics involved, indicating a need for further clarification on the concepts of beat frequencies and frequency relationships.

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Two-out-of-tune flutes play the same note. One produces a tone that has a frequency of 260 Hz, while the other produces 266 Hz. When a tuning fork is sounded together with the 260 Hz tone, a beat frequency of 1 Hz is produced. When the same tuning fork is sounded together with the 266 Hz tone, a beat frequency of 5 Hz is produced. What is the frequency of the tuning fork?

I have no idea where to start. I know that Fbeat= f-Ffork, but I don't think that helps me any. Any ideas?
 
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shupert.11 said:
I know that Fbeat= f-Ffork, but I don't think that helps me any.

Really? Well, for each flute, you are given two out of three of those frequencies, and are trying to find a third one. Of course, each flute could be out of tune in either direction (too high or too low), so it should really be Fbeat = |F - Ffork|. Which is the reason why you need both flutes in order to ascertain what frequency they are supposed to be playing, not just one.
 
I am still lost. If I solve the equation for the first flute: 1Hz= 260-Ffork then Ffork=259. If I solve for the 2nd flute 5Hz=266-Ffork then Ffork=261 which is an entirely different answer. Any suggestions. I know I am a little dense when it comes to physics!
 
shupert.11 said:
1Hz= 260-Ffork then Ffork=259.

NOT NECESSARILY. Read my first reply to you again. If we get a beat frequency of 1 hertz between the first flute and the tuning fork, then that means that the difference between the flute's frequency and the tuning fork's frequency is 1 hertz *in absolute value.* That's why I added the absolute value signs to your equation. Because (read this carefully)

If we get a beat frequency of 1 hertz, we DON'T know whether that means that the flute is 1 hertz too HIGH or whether it is 1 hertz too LOW. Either situation is possible. Again, repeating what I said in my first reply, that's why we need the second flute to make the determination. So the proper way to do this problem is to say that:

1 Hz = |260 - Ffork|

case 1: (260 - Ffork) is positive

then |260 - Ffork| = (260 - Ffork) = 1 Hz

==> Ffork = 259 Hz

case 2: (260 - Ffork) is negative

then |260 - Ffork| = -(260 - Ffork) = 1 Hz

==> Ffork = 261 Hz

To determine which of these cases is true in this situation, you have to do the same thing for the second flute and pick the answer that is consistent between both flutes.
 
The light bulb came on! Thanks you so much! I get it now!
 

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