Using Kepler's 3rd Law to find Period of Venus

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The discussion revolves around applying Kepler's 3rd Law to determine the orbital period of Venus based on its distance from the Sun relative to Earth. The original poster attempts to derive the exponent in the equation T = k r^n, where T is the orbital period and r is the radius of the orbit.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss algebraic manipulation of equations related to gravitational acceleration and orbital periods to express T in terms of r. The original poster questions their approach and potential arithmetic errors, while others suggest focusing on ratios rather than absolute distances.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to combine equations and work with ratios of T and r values. There is an ongoing exploration of how to apply the derived formula to find the period of Venus without needing the absolute distance from the Sun.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is working under the assumption that the distance of Venus from the Sun is 72.4% of Earth's distance, which is a key factor in their calculations. There is also a mention of needing to avoid intermediate values in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Deduce, from the equations employed in Q4 and Q5, the exponent n in the equation: T = k rn where k is a constant and T is the period of a satellite which orbits at a radius r from a massive object in space. Hence, how long is the “year” on Venus if its distance from the Sun is 72.4% of the Earth’s?

Homework Equations


The equations I used in the previous equations were simply a = (4(pi^2)r)/T^2 and a = GM/r^2 and basically combinations of the two

The Attempt at a Solution


So I started this question by trying to find the distance of the Earth from the Sun using T^2 = (4pi^2)/Gm (m being mass of the Sun) to which I got the answer 2.75x10^11 km

Then I substituted the r in the Kepler's equation with 0.724Re (to find distance of Venus from the Sun) but my answers seemed to have all been wrong so either I'm making some silly arithmetical error or my entire approach is wrong. Any help and hints would be appreciated, thank you :)
 
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Rejverr97:

The question asks you to write an equation of the form ##T=k r^n##, using the equations you had previously. That is, you need to combine those equations algebraically to express the period ##T## in terms of the distance ##r##. In the process, you'll find the exponent ##n## as well as the constant ##k## in terms of the constants in your previous equations.

Once you have that expression, you can work with ratios of the ##T## and ##r## values. If you do that, you should not need to work out intermediate values like the actual distance of Earth from the Sun in metres.

Does that help?
 
James R said:
Rejverr97:

The question asks you to write an equation of the form ##T=k r^n##, using the equations you had previously. That is, you need to combine those equations algebraically to express the period ##T## in terms of the distance ##r##. In the process, you'll find the exponent ##n## as well as the constant ##k## in terms of the constants in your previous equations.

Once you have that expression, you can work with ratios of the ##T## and ##r## values. If you do that, you should not need to work out intermediate values like the actual distance of Earth from the Sun in metres.

Does that help?

I should have mentioned, I did do that first step which gave me T = (2pi/root Gm) x r^3/2 . So the value I got for n was 3/2. Could you elaborate a bit more on what you mean later by working out the ratios of the T and r values? Because currently I can't think in my head how to do this without needing the distance of Earth from the Sun.
 
Rajveer97 said:
I should have mentioned, I did do that first step which gave me T = (2pi/root Gm) x r^3/2 . So the value I got for n was 3/2. Could you elaborate a bit more on what you mean later by working out the ratios of the T and r values? Because currently I can't think in my head how to do this without needing the distance of Earth from the Sun.
You don't need the absolute distance of either planet from the Sun. You are given the ratio of the two radii, and you are asked for Venus' "year" as measured in Earth years, i.e. you are asked for the ratio of the two years.
Combine that with the formula you obtained in the first part of the question, T=kr3/2.
 
Rajveer97 said:
I should have mentioned, I did do that first step which gave me T = (2pi/root Gm) x r^3/2 . So the value I got for n was 3/2. Could you elaborate a bit more on what you mean later by working out the ratios of the T and r values? Because currently I can't think in my head how to do this without needing the distance of Earth from the Sun.
Ok. So, you have
$$T_{Earth}=\frac{2\pi}{\sqrt{Gm}}r_{Earth}^{3/2},~~T_{Venus}=\frac{2\pi}{\sqrt{Gm}}r_{Venus}^{3/2}$$
Two equations. You know ##r_{Venus}/r_{Earth}=0.724## and ##T_{Earth}=1## year. Can you use the two equations to find ##T_{Venus}##?
 

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