Using relative motion (2D) to get rain speed & direction when running

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A person moving east observes rain falling vertically, but when he doubles his speed, the rain appears at a 30° angle with the vertical. The calculations involve relative motion equations, where the actual speed of rain and the observer's speed are represented as vectors. The initial attempt to find the rain's speed and angle results in incorrect values of θ = 60° and VR = 2v. The confusion arises from misusing trigonometric identities and vector notation, leading to the realization that the correct answers should be θ = 30° and VR = 2v. Clarification on vector representation and trigonometric functions is necessary to resolve the discrepancies in the calculations.
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Homework Statement


A person moving towards east with a speed 'v' observes the rain to be falling vertically downwards. When he doubles his speed, the rain appears to come at 30° angle with the vertical. Find the actual speed and direction of rain with vertical.


Homework Equations


Velocity of A with respect to B = Velocity of A – Velocity of B
(VAB = VAVB)


The Attempt at a Solution


Let the actual speed of rain be VR. Let the person's speed be represented by VP.
Using \widehat{i}-\widehat{j}-\widehat{k} notation for vectors, VP = v \widehat{i}

VR = VRsinθ \widehat{i} – VRcosθ \widehat{j}

VRP = VRVP
VRP = VRsinθ \widehat{i} – VRcosθ \widehat{j} – v \widehat{i} = (VRsinθ – v) \widehat{i} –VRcosθ \widehat{j}

∵ Rain is vertically downwards, ∴ (VRsinθ – v) \widehat{i} = 0

So, VRsinθ = v

Now, let VP be 2v \widehat{i}.

VRP = VRVP
= +VRsinθ \widehat{i} –VRcosθ \widehat{j} –2v \widehat{i}
= (+VRsinθ –2v) \widehat{i} –VRcosθ \widehat{j}
= –v \widehat{i} –vtanθ \widehat{j}

Now \frac{-v}{-vtan\theta} = tan30° = √3̅

∴ tanθ = \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}

∴ θ = 60°.

VR = \frac{2v}{\sqrt{3}}.


Both these answers are wrong, and I don't know how or why. I'm in Class 11. The correct answers should be θ = 30° and ∴ VR = 2v. What am I missing here?
 
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tan 30° is not the square root of 3.

It is confusing that you use the same symbol for vectors and scalar quantities.
 
Two mistakes

Sorry, I made another mistake. Though you're right, sin30° = \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}, I made another mistake: -VRcosθ \widehat{j} ≠ -vtanθ \widehat{j}, but, = -vcotθ \widehat{j}.

So still, θ = 60°. Why is it so? (I know my answer's wrong, but I don't know why.)
 
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