Vector addition word problem question

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The discussion revolves around a vector addition problem involving an aircraft's velocity and wind direction. The user correctly calculated the resultant velocity of the aircraft but is confused about the interpretation of the angle, specifically why it is described as 12.12° south of west. Clarification is provided that the angle's definition relates to the vector's components, which are both negative, indicating it lies in the fourth quadrant. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding how vector components determine the quadrant and the corresponding directional interpretation. Ultimately, the user seeks clarity on how to consistently interpret angles in vector problems.
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I solved a word problem correctly...But I'm a little confused about what my answer means, I guess I'm having trouble understanding how they got the meaning of the numbers. My question is about step (b).

Problem:
The velocity of an aircraft is 200 km/hr due west. A northwest wind of 50 km/hr is blowing.
a. What is the velocity of the aircraft relative to the ground?
b. If the pilot's destination is due west, at what angle should he point his plane to get there?
c. If his destination is 400 km due west, how long will it take him to get there?

My correct answer:
G = 200
Gx = 200*cos(180°) = -200
Gy = 200*sin(180°) = 0
Gθ = 180°
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W = 50
Wx = 50*cos(315°) = 35.36
Wy = 50*sin(315°) = -35.36
Wθ = 315°

R = √[(-35.46)2+(-164.64)2] = 168.4
Rx = -164.64
Ry = -35.36
Rθ = arctan[(-35.36)/(-164.64)] = 12.12°
...And I also solved step C, but it's not relevant.

The book says the plane is moving 168.4 km/hr at 12.12° south of west...
I don't understand how they knew what the 12.12° meant...How did they know it was south of west, rather than north-east, which is the direction your average 12.12° on the unit circle would face?
 
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It follows from your definition of the angle as angle between air and ground speed (=W).
 
mfb said:
It follows from your definition of the angle as angle between air and ground speed (=W).

I don't understand... Normally when I do this exact series of equations, I get an angle that I can just use as a normal angle... What is the difference? How am I supposed to know it means "south of west"?
 
Somewhere in the solution process, you introduce an angle θ. Check where this is done, and how the angle got defined. You have to stick to that definition in the interpretation of θ afterwards, of course.
 
Both of the components in your final calculation of Rtheta are negative.
This should tell you that the vector lies in the fourth quadrant, which is south of west.
 
SteamKing said:
Both of the components in your final calculation of Rtheta are negative.
This should tell you that the vector lies in the fourth quadrant, which is south of west.

The angle made by 12.12° south of west is 192.12°, wouldn't that be in the 3rd quadrant?
 
personguything said:
The angle made by 12.12° south of west is 192.12°, wouldn't that be in the 3rd quadrant?
I think SteamKing meant that since both components of Rtheta are negative the vector lies in the third quadrant
 
haruspex said:
I think SteamKing meant that since both components of Rtheta are negative the vector lies in the third quadrant

So if xcomp = neg, ycomp = neg it's 3rd, xcomp = pos, ycomp = neg it's 4th etc?
 
personguything said:
So if xcomp = neg, ycomp = neg it's 3rd, xcomp = pos, ycomp = neg it's 4th etc?

Yes.
 
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