Vector calculus - Divergence Theorem

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The problem involves evaluating the surface integral of a vector field \(\vec{A}\) defined as \((x\hat{i} + y\hat{j} + z\hat{k})(x^2 + y^2 + z^2)\) over a sphere defined by \(R^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2\), using both direct computation and the Divergence Theorem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss converting the vector field \(\vec{A}\) from Cartesian to spherical coordinates and question the validity of expressing \(\vec{A}\) as \(r^3\). There is an exploration of the implications of using different coordinate systems for the evaluation of the integral.

Discussion Status

Some participants are attempting to clarify the expression for \(\vec{A}\) and its conversion to spherical coordinates. There is a mix of opinions on whether to approach the problem using Cartesian or spherical coordinates, with some suggesting that spherical coordinates may simplify the evaluation due to symmetry.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original problem statement does not explicitly define \(A\) in the context of the discussion, leading to some confusion. There are also references to standard conversion methods between coordinate systems, indicating a reliance on established mathematical resources.

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Homework Statement




Find \int_{s} \vec{A} \cdot d\vec{a} given \vec{A} = ( x\hat{i} + y\hat{j} + z\hat{k} ) ( x^2 + y^2 + z^2 ) and the surface S is defined by the sphere R^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 directly and by Gauss's theorem.

Homework Equations



\int_{s} \vec{A} \cdot d\vec{a} = \int_{V} \nabla \cdot \vec{A} da = \int\int\int \frac{1}{r^2} \frac{\partial}{\partial r}(r^2 A_{r}) r^2 \sin\theta dr d\theta d\phi = \int\int\int \frac{\partial}{\partial r}(r^2 A_{r}) \sin\theta dr d\theta d\phi = 4 \pi R^5


The Attempt at a Solution



Given the answer, I was able to work backwards using limits of integration of 0 to 2pi for phi, 0 to pi for theta and 0 to R on r to find out that A = r^3. Now, the question I have is how can I show that A = r^3 given the A in cartesian coordinates? Since r=\sqrt{x^2 + y^2 + z^2} its clear that A=r^2(x\hat{i} + y\hat{j} + z\hat{k}) but to call the vector valued term r is not agreeing with me. Obviously, since the surface is a sphere, I thought it would be easier to use spherical coordinates...

Edit: Using cartesian coordinates I can find \nabla \cdot \vec{A} = 5(x^2 + y^2 + z^2) = 5r^2 but using the formula given for spherical coordinates, I would need to show A = r^3 to do a full solution in spherical.
 
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What do you mean "A= r3"? What is A? There is no A in the statement of the problem.
 
A is given, it is the vector. It's in the first line... Of course, to solve for A in spherical I worked backwards from the answer (I needed an R^5 in the final answer, and the divergence in spherical gives me an integral of a partial of r^2 * A, so obviously r^2 * A needs to have a 5th power, thus A = r^3, working it through, it does come out correctly).

When I try to convert the given A into spherical directly, I can only get as far as \vec{A} = r^2(x\hat{i}+y\hat{j}+z\hat{k})

Another question I have is whether it would be easier to show it directly in cartesian or spherical...I'm leaning towards cartesian because A is given in cartesian.
 
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A = r^3

As Halls pointed out, that's not right.

The conversion from cartesian to spherical, and vice versa, should be found in any vector calculus text.

(or try, http://www.math.montana.edu/frankw/ccp/multiworld/multipleIVP/spherical/body.htm )

Another question I have is whether it would be easier to show it directly in cartesian or spherical...I'm leaning towards cartesian because A is given in cartesian.

The integral \int_{s} \vec{A} \cdot d\vec{a} over x^2 + y^2 + z^2=R^2 should be easier to evaluate in spherical coordinates because of the symmetry (ie, you're integrating over a sphere).
 
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