Vector displacement problem trouble

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a vector displacement problem involving hiking in the mountains, where participants analyze the total displacement in both horizontal and vertical directions throughout the day.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the method of calculating total displacement using the Pythagorean theorem, while questioning the relevance of vertical and horizontal components in determining the final altitude change.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on focusing solely on vertical displacement to determine the change in altitude, while others are exploring methods to calculate net displacement using vector components. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of examples involving a third displacement value in the relevant chapter, which may contribute to confusion in applying the correct methods.

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Homework Statement


While vacationing in the mountains, you do some hiking. In the morning, your displacement is S-morning = (1600 m, east) + (3300 m, north) + (160 m, vertical). After lunch your displacement is S-afternoon = (1800 m, west) + (2000 m, north) - (350 m, vertical). At the end of the day, how much higher or lower (in m) are compared to your starting point in the morning?


Homework Equations


A^2 + B^2 = C^2


The Attempt at a Solution


I can't find any other relevant equations that is in the chapter and no examples are given with a third displacement value.

My attempt in the problem using the same method for both the morning values and after lunch values:

(1600)^2 + (3300)^2 = C^2
c = 3667.4 m

then...

(3667.4)^2 + (160)^2 = C^2
c = 3670.9 m

I used the same method for the afternoon values, found the difference between the two (1003.1 m), and it was the incorrect answer.

Thanks,
Daniel
 
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In the morning, how much up you go?
In the afternoon, from the above point how much down you go?
So what is the final depth from the starting point?
The other distances are just distractions.
 
M1ZeN said:

Homework Statement


While vacationing in the mountains, you do some hiking. In the morning, your displacement is S-morning = (1600 m, east) + (3300 m, north) + (160 m, vertical). After lunch your displacement is S-afternoon = (1800 m, west) + (2000 m, north) - (350 m, vertical). At the end of the day, how much higher or lower (in m) are compared to your starting point in the morning?


Homework Equations


A^2 + B^2 = C^2


The Attempt at a Solution


I can't find any other relevant equations that is in the chapter and no examples are given with a third displacement value.

My attempt in the problem using the same method for both the morning values and after lunch values:

(1600)^2 + (3300)^2 = C^2
c = 3667.4 m

then...

(3667.4)^2 + (160)^2 = C^2
c = 3670.9 m

I used the same method for the afternoon values, found the difference between the two (1003.1 m), and it was the incorrect answer.

Thanks,
Daniel
Daniel I think you are misreading the problem, they ask for the change in altitude from your starting point. Assuming that is 0m you just need to add or subtract the vertical distances they give you using say 0m as your starting point.

Since they give you the changes in vector form you can call the last piece the z axis or K-hat values of the vector and ignore the other dimensions.

Hope that helps

If it doesn't then this should be your answer
0+ 160m - 350m = -190m so your ending altitude would be 190 m less then your starting point
 
I found the correct answer for that part. Now the second part has asked me to: What is the magnitude of your net displacement (in km) for the day?

I went back to the method I used and just added the separate values for both morning and afternoon. It was the incorrect answer but I figured what I did was reasonable enough to try to find an answer.
 
Project every displacement on the single plane, then find the net x, y component. z component is known. Find net displacement.
 

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