Vehicle speed calculation from pedestrian throw distance

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of vehicle speed based on the distance a pedestrian is thrown after being struck by a vehicle. Participants explore the feasibility of estimating this speed using various factors, including the weights of the vehicle and pedestrian, and the dynamics of the collision.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to estimate the speed of a vehicle based solely on the provided information about weights and throw distance.
  • Another participant suggests that additional information is necessary, including the change in speed during the collision, the angle of the throw, and details about the vehicle's damage.
  • It is noted that the pedestrian may not follow a simple projectile trajectory, complicating the calculations further.
  • Some participants indicate that the data provided is insufficient for a practical calculation and reference accident reconstruction techniques for further understanding.
  • Links to external resources are shared, but one participant highlights a disclaimer stating that the desired calculation cannot be performed accurately.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the information provided is insufficient for calculating vehicle speed, and multiple competing views remain regarding the complexity and feasibility of such calculations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on various assumptions about collision dynamics, the lack of specific details regarding the collision, and the acknowledgment that pedestrian motion may not conform to idealized models.

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How can we calculate the speed of a vehicle from pedestrian throw distance ?
If the weight of a vehicle is 1220 kg and a pedestrian's weight is 72 kg. Throw distance is 20.70 meters.
 
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Do you mean estimating how fast a car was going when it hit a pedestrian and threw them down the street? I'm not sure you can estimate that using only the information provided...
 
Mech_Engineer said:
Do you mean estimating how fast a car was going when it hit a pedestrian and threw them down the street? I'm not sure you can estimate that using only the information provided...
Yes, that's what I want to know. What other information do you need ?
 
Fatlum said:
Yes, that's what I want to know. What other information do you need ?
To calculate using the laws of physics: the weight of the car, the weight of the pedestrian, the amount the speed of the car changed in the collision, the angle at which the pedestrian was thrown, the details of the damage done to the car in the collision including how much energy went into deforming fenders and the like, and probably some other stuff that I've overlooked.

As you might conclude from this list, the answer to your question ("How can we calculate...?") is that we can't; it's not practical to calculate these things from first principles.
 
Another confounding factor would be that the pedestrian would typically not follow a projectile trajectory but rather slide on the road surface. You will have to read up on accident reconstruction analysis to really understand what current techniques look like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision_reconstruction
 
Fatlum said:
How can we calculate the speed of a vehicle from pedestrian throw distance ?
If the weight of a vehicle is 1220 kg and a pedestrian's weight is 72 kg. Throw distance is 20.70 meters.
Data seems to be insufficient.

below links may help.
1) http://www.fpz.unizg.hr/traffic/index.php/PROMTT/article/viewFile/1020/8673

2) http://www.mcnallyassociates.com/onlinetools/speedfromthrow.htm
 
The disclaimer at the McNally Associates website says pretty much the same thing - you can't calculate the answer you want.

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