Vertical circular motion with accelerating centre

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The discussion revolves around a problem in vertical circular motion, specifically focusing on the dynamics when the center of motion is accelerating. Participants explore the implications of this scenario on the application of forces and energy conservation principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial approach for a fixed center, including the use of tension and energy conservation. Questions arise regarding the necessity and application of pseudo forces when the center is accelerating.

Discussion Status

The conversation indicates that some participants are considering the use of pseudo forces as a viable approach. There is a suggestion that this method may simplify the problem, but no consensus on the exact steps has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities introduced by the non-inertial frame of reference due to the accelerating center, which raises questions about the appropriate application of forces and energy principles.

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Homework Statement
Suppose, a ball of mass m has to just complete the vertical circular motion when its point of suspension is accelerating vertically upwards with an acceleration g/3. We have to find that particular minimum speed at the extreme bottom that must be given to it so that it just completes the vertical circle.
Relevant Equations
General laws of motion and energy conservation
I can do the problem if the centre is fixed. The steps are:
1) Assuming tension in the string is zero at the top most position, we calculate the velocity at top most position by mv2/R = mg
2)Now, we simply apply mechanical energy conservation when the ball is at the top and bottom positions respectively and find out the required speed.
But, now as the centre is accelerating, I am confused. Do I have to apply pseudo force and proceed in the same way?
Please explain it to me.
Thanks.
 
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subhradeep mahata said:
Do I have to apply pseudo force and proceed in the same way?
The use of non inertial frames (and hence pseudo forces) is certainly an option, and probably the easier way here.
 
So, I should apply pseudo force and follow the two steps, isn't it?
 
subhradeep mahata said:
So, I should apply pseudo force and follow the two steps, isn't it?
Yes.
 

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