Want to know correct answer for electric field + potential question

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving three point charges arranged on the y-axis, with the goal of determining points on the x-axis where the electric potential is zero and calculating the electric field components at a specific point on the x-axis. The subject area includes concepts of electric fields and potentials in electrostatics.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the conditions for zero electric potential and the components of the electric field, expressing their reasoning through equations and simplifications. Some participants question the number of solutions for the potential and the treatment of the electric field from the negative charge.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing feedback on each other's reasoning and calculations. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of the electric field calculations, and some clarification has been offered regarding the contributions of the charges.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring the calculations account for all charges involved, particularly the negative charge, and participants are exploring different interpretations of the equations presented.

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Homework Statement



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Three point charges are arranged on the y-axis as shown in the picture.

The charges are:
+q at (0,a)
-q at (0,0)
+q at (0,-a)

Any other charge or material is infinitely far away.

(a) Determine the point(s) on the x-axis where the electric potential due to this system of charges is zero.

(b) Determine the x and y components of the electric field at a point P on the x-axis distance x from the origin.

Homework Equations



V = {k}_{e}\frac{q}{r}

E = {k}_{e}\frac{q}{r^2}

The Attempt at a Solution



(a) The problem says the point(s) where potential is zero is must be on the x-axis so I know the y-coordinate is 0. I called the distance d, so my coordinate would be (d,0).

I make this equation:

0 = 2({k}_{e}\frac{q}{\sqrt{a^2+d^2}}) - {k}_{e}\frac{q}{d}<br />

And simplify/solve for d to get:

d = \frac{\sqrt{3}a}{3}

(b) For this part I guess I just need to express the E vector in terms of x, q, ke, and a.

Again I ignore any y components since the +q charges cancel in that direction.

To get the magnitude of the field vector from the (+) charges I plugged in the distance of P (using a right triangle with sides x and a) from the charge for r and doubled:

E = 2({k}_{e}\frac{q}{(\sqrt{a^2+x^2})^2})

and to get the x component multiplied that by:

{E}_{x} = \cos\tan^{-1}\frac{a}{x}

Then I find the net to be (including E from the (-) charge):

{E}_{x net} = 2(\cos\tan^{-1}\frac{a}{x})({k}_{e}\frac{q}{a^2+x^2}) - {k}_{e}\frac{q}_{x^2}

{E}_{x net} = \frac{2{k}_{e}q(\cos\tan^{-1}\frac{a}{x})(x^2) - {k}_{e}q(a^2+x^2)}{(a^2+x^2)x^2}I feel ok about (a) but I might be wrong. As for (b), I have no idea if I'm right or not but I did try it multiple ways to get an equivalent solution. It just looks too complicated though. Please let me know if I have done these right.
 
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3a) d should have two values.

3b) What happened to the field due to the charge (-q)?
 
Thanks for the reply!

Ah yeah that makes sense for (a). It should be plus or minus then.

For (b), would the E from -q be -{k}_{e}\frac{q}_{x^2}?
 
altegron said:
and to get the x component multiplied that by:

{E}_{x} = \cos\tan^{-1}\frac{a}{x}

Write cos theta = x/sqrt(x^2+a^2).

Then I find the net to be (including E from the (-) charge):

{E}_{x net} = 2(\cos\tan^{-1}\frac{a}{x})({k}_{e}\frac{q}{a^2+x^2}) - {k}_{e}\frac{q}_{x^2}

That is correct now.
 
{E}_{x net} = 2(\cos\tan^{-1}\frac{a}{x})({k}_{e}\frac{q}{a^2+x^2}) - {k}_{e}\frac{q}_{x^2}

can't you just replace (\cos\tan^{-1}\frac{a}{x}) with \frac{x}{\sqrt{(x^2+a^2)}}...or is that what shootingstar was saying
 
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