Wave functions and probabilities

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The discussion revolves around wave functions and probabilities in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the calculation of probability density using the wave function and volume elements in spherical coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the probability density from the wave function and questions the volume element used in the calculation. They express confusion about the derivative of the probability with respect to radius and the treatment of the differential volume element.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging in a back-and-forth regarding the correct formulation of the volume element and its implications for the probability calculation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of constants in the derivative, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the use of constants in the derivative and the correct form of the volume element in spherical coordinates. Participants are also reflecting on common mistakes in these calculations.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



P=\left|\Psi \right| ^{2}dV

The Attempt at a Solution



Okay, so r^{2} = x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2} and \left|\Psi \right| ^{2} = A^{2}e^{-2\alpha r^{2}} .

The volume of the of the bit we're interested in should be

dV = 4\pi(r+dr)^{3} - 4\pi r^{3} \approx 12\pi r^{2}dr if we ignore the (dr)^{2} and (dr)^{3} terms. Have I done something wrong here, as I was expecting to just end up with 4\pi r^{2}dr?

Assuming it's correct, the probability is then

P = A^{2}e^{-2 \alpha r^{2}}12\pi r^{2}dr .

To find where this has a maximum value, would I set \frac{dP}{dr}=0 and then find the corresponding r values? But how do I take the derivative when there's a dr term in there? :confused:

Thanks for any help!
 
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Hi kidsmoker! :smile:
kidsmoker said:
The volume of the of the bit we're interested in should be

dV = 4\pi(r+dr)^{3} - 4\pi r^{3} \approx 12\pi r^{2}dr if we ignore the (dr)^{2} and (dr)^{3} terms. Have I done something wrong here, as I was expecting to just end up with 4\pi r^{2}dr?

Yup! :biggrin:

4 is for areas

try 4/3 ! :wink:

(or just multiply the area by dr)
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi kidsmoker! :smile:


Yup! :biggrin:

4 is for areas

try 4/3 ! :wink:

(or just multiply the area by dr)


Oh yeah, hahaha, i always get that wrong!

So we have P = A^{2}e^{-2 \alpha r^{2}}4\pi r^{2}dr then what happens to the dr when i take the derivative? :s

Thanks.
 
kidsmoker said:
… what happens to the dr when i take the derivative?

Just ignore it :wink: … it's a constant

think of it as called something other than dr! :rolleyes:
 

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