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The discussion revolves around the concept of degeneracy in the context of weak periodic potentials as described in the book "Solid State Physics" by Ashcroft and Mermin. Participants are exploring the meaning of degeneracy, particularly in relation to free electron levels, and how to visualize degenerate versus non-degenerate energy levels.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the term "degeneracy" and its implications for energy levels in solid state physics.
  • Another participant explains that degeneracy refers to wave functions having the same energy, contrasting this with non-degenerate states where energy levels differ.
  • There is mention of conduction materials where electrons are bound in energy bands, which may appear continuous due to small energy differences, leading to a discussion about how this relates to degeneracy.
  • Some participants express confusion about visualizing degeneracy in the context of the provided explanations and links.
  • One participant offers to share the book for further clarification, indicating a desire for deeper understanding.

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Participants generally agree on the definition of degeneracy but express differing levels of understanding and visualization of the concept in the specific context of weak periodic potentials. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the participant's confusion about the term and its implications.

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Participants reference specific examples and links to illustrate their points, but there is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the application of degeneracy in the context discussed. The limitations of the explanations provided may depend on the definitions and interpretations of degeneracy in solid state physics.

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Hi;

In chapter 9 of Solid state physics of Ashcroft&Mermin(Electrons in a weak periodic potential),
there is a General Approch to the Schrödinger Equation when the Potential is Weak.

i can't understand what is meant by the term DEGENERACY?
or what does "nearly degenerate free electron levels mean"?
how should we visuallize degenerate and non-degenerate energy levels?
what are the differences and how can we interpret them?

i'm totally confused.

Thank u All.
 
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I haven't read/don't know the book, but degenerate means that the wave functions have the same energy.

In a single atom, all the atoms are in different orbitals which have different energy values, so they are 'non-degenerate'. (link 1)

In a conduction material, however, the electrons are bounded in bands, bands who are a few eV thick (link2).
In theory, those bands are still discrete (which means every electron has a different energy), but the differences is so small (few μeV, compared to a band which is a few eV thick, we can call it a continuum (which means the electrons have the 'same' energy), which means they are non-degenerate: different electrons with same energy.

link 1: http://library.thinkquest.org/C006669/media/Chem/img/Series.gif
link 2: http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/@api/deki/files/7389/=chemwiki_picure_2.jpg
 
Dreak said:
I haven't read/don't know the book, but degenerate means that the wave functions have the same energy.

In a single atom, all the atoms are in different orbitals which have different energy values, so they are 'non-degenerate'. (link 1)

In a conduction material, however, the electrons are bounded in bands, bands who are a few eV thick (link2).
In theory, those bands are still discrete (which means every electron has a different energy), but the differences is so small (few μeV, compared to a band which is a few eV thick, we can call it a continuum (which means the electrons have the 'same' energy), which means they are non-degenerate: different electrons with same energy.

link 1: http://library.thinkquest.org/C006669/media/Chem/img/Series.gif
link 2: http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/@api/deki/files/7389/=chemwiki_picure_2.jpg

thanks Dreak.
but i know the meaning of degeneracy in such cases as you mentioned.
the problem is some how confusing in this case,i can't visuallize something like what you have shown in the links.
as a matter of fact,i can't get what is the term degeneracy referring to...!
i can send u the book if you want!?
 
moj20062001 said:
thanks Dreak.
but i know the meaning of degeneracy in such cases as you mentioned.
the problem is some how confusing in this case,i can't visuallize something like what you have shown in the links.
as a matter of fact,i can't get what is the term degeneracy referring to...!
i can send u the book if you want!?

Ai, don't know what you mean then :)

Don't have time now to see the book, I got an exam tomorrow, subject: 'solid state physics' ;)
 
Dreak said:
Ai, don't know what you mean then :)

Don't have time now to see the book, I got an exam tomorrow, subject: 'solid state physics' ;)

Good luck!
:)
what is the book then,that you are studying?!
;)
 

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