What has the initial NOTHING turned into?

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The discussion explores the concept of "nothingness" as described in both the Bible and physics, questioning how something can emerge from nothing. It raises the idea that if everything were returned to an initial state, it might revert to nothing. The conversation also touches on the limitations of current scientific understanding regarding the origins of the universe, noting that theories like the Big Bang, cyclic models, and brane collisions remain unverified. Additionally, there is a critique of the notion that both science and theology support the idea of starting from nothing, suggesting that this interpretation is flawed. Overall, the dialogue emphasizes the complexities and uncertainties surrounding the origins of existence.
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I can't help noticing that both the Bible and Physics state that in the biginning there was nothing. Based on my understanding of the lever I know this is right. So having in mind that nothing has nothing to change, which makes it unchangeable, how can we have something now? Are we considering the things only partially without their anti-thing?

Is it that if we put back every thing in the initial position (or if the universe's expansion is reversable) then we will end up with the initial nothing?

In the cartoon about Moses there was this quote: "You must look things though heavent's eyes". It's something like (I experience it this way) if you want to have complete physical system then you must have summarily nothing.

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Scientists really don't know what the big bang started from. Starting from nothing is pure guess. There are many other ideas floating around, such as cyclic, or brane collision. Unfortunately current observation (which is ultimately what really matters) is unable to validate any of these or other ideas.
 
dedaNoe said:
I can't help noticing that both the Bible and Physics state that in the biginning there was nothing.
Bad science and bad theology. Neither say that.
 
So I know that electrons are fundamental, there's no 'material' that makes them up, it's like talking about a colour itself rather than a car or a flower. Now protons and neutrons and quarks and whatever other stuff is there fundamentally, I want someone to kind of teach me these, I have a lot of questions that books might not give the answer in the way I understand. Thanks
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