What if check: Am I calculating tension wrong?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two objects connected by a string over a frictionless pulley, focusing on the relationship between their accelerations and the tension in the string. The original poster is exploring the implications of their derived equations in the context of specific mass values.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to apply their derived formulas to specific mass values but encounters a contradiction in their calculations. Some participants question the assumptions made in the equations, particularly regarding the application of Newton's second law.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, offering insights into the proper application of equations. There is recognition of the need to substitute tension correctly between the two equations, and the discussion is focused on clarifying the mathematical relationships rather than reaching a definitive conclusion.

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There is an indication that the original poster may have misapplied their equations by using the same formula inappropriately for different variables. The discussion reflects on the importance of correctly substituting values and understanding the implications of the derived formulas.

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Homework Statement


Two objects are connected by a string that passes over a frictionless pulley, where m1<m2 and a1 and a2 are the magnitudes of the respective accelerations. Which mathematical statement is true regarding the magnitude of the acceleration a2 of the mass m2?
(a) a2<g
(b) a2>g
(c) a2=g
(d) a2<a1
(e) a2>a1

Homework Equations


F(net)=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


for m1:
F(net)=m1a
Fx=0
Fy=T-m1g=m1a1
##a1= \frac{T}{m1}-g##

for m2:
F(net)=m2a
Fx=0
Fy=-T+m2g=m2a2
##a2=g- \frac{T}{m2}<g##

Answer= (a)

While the book confirms my answer is right, I wanted to try applying my derived formulas to the situation where m1=5kg, and m2=10kg to see what the result would be. However, when I do this I run into a problem.

##a2=g- \frac{T}{m2}##
->##Fy=-T+m2g=m2a2##
->##T=m2g-m2a2##
->##a2=g- \frac{m2g-m2a2}{m2}##
->##a2=g- g+a2##
->##a2=a2##

A similar thing happens when I try to use the equation I derived for a1. What am I missing?
 
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Callista said:
Fy=T-m1g=0
Why =0?
 
haruspex said:
Why =0?
Sorry, looks like I mistyped that. I meant to say
->Fy=T-m1g=m1a1
->Fy=-T+m2g=m2a2
I've update my post to reflect it.

Upon reflection, I realize I was trying to use the same formula twice to solve for a new variable... Thanks for all the help.
 
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You have two equations each one from applying Newton's 2nd law to each body
##T-m_1g=m_1a_1##
##m_2g-T=m_2a_2##

You have to solve for tension from the one equation and replace the tension into the other equation. If you solve for tension from one equation and replace it into the same equation it is a simple mathematical consequence that you will end up with conclusions of the form ##a_i=a_i##.
 
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