What is the Coefficient of Friction for a Braking Car with Given Parameters?

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The discussion revolves around determining the coefficient of friction for a braking car, given parameters such as the mass of the wheel, its radius, initial speed, and the braking force applied. Participants are analyzing the relevance of the provided information and exploring the relationships between various physical quantities involved in the braking process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to relate the initial angular speed to linear speed and questioning the necessity of certain parameters like final velocity and time. Some are deriving equations for the coefficient of friction based on their interpretations of the forces involved, while others are checking the correctness of their equations and assumptions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing different equations and interpretations. Some have confirmed their equations through unit analysis, while others are seeking clarification on the derivation of certain relationships. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answer yet.

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Participants are navigating through potential misunderstandings regarding the application of forces and the role of friction in the braking process. The problem's constraints and the relevance of each parameter are under scrutiny, with some questioning the completeness of the information provided.

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Homework Statement



The car's wheel with mass 1kg and radius 0.3m has initial speed 40rad/s.
When braked, the force push to the center of the wheel is 10N.
The car stops after 2s.
Find coefficient.

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The Attempt at a Solution



This is what I did
Fc= Us.N= Us*m*g
so Us= Fc/mg

But why the problem gives so many information..about velocity..?
 
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you have "initial speed", find final velocity

you must convert 40rad/s to m/s

then from there, plug in

your equations are wrong unless i screwed up

i have

\mu_{k}=\frac{1}{g}(\frac{v^{2}}{R}-\frac{F}{m})

i simplified it so yours may look different.

EDIT: well i confirmed my equation by simplifying the units and all the units cancel out so seems like it's good, so i hope that helps.
 
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why they the time and final velocity, when stop?
 
rocophysics said:
your equations are wrong unless i screwed up
i have
\mu_{k}=\frac{1}{g}(\frac{v^{2}}{R}-\frac{F}{m})

EDIT: well i confirmed my equation by simplifying the units and all the units cancel out so seems like it's good, so i hope that helps.

How did you derive such relation? Would you mind explaining your steps?

@ camherokid:
I have a different line of thought:
Let initial angular speed be w = 40rad/s, radius of the wheel be r = 0.3m, mass of the wheel be M = 1kg, push-force be P = 10N, time be t = 2sec.

Speed of the centre of the wheel, v = w*r = 12m/s. {Assuming, no slipping.}

It has to stop in t = 2sec. Thus, final speed is zero.
Assuming uniform deceleration, a = (0 - v)/t = -v/t = -6m/s^2.

This deceleration will require an average force of magnitude, F = M*a = -M*v/t = -6N .

Now assuming this force comes only by friction, µ*P = -F. (As friction is in opposite direction; considering P to be positive.)

Thus, µ = M*v/(P.t) = (M*w*r)/(P*t) = 0.6

Therefore coefficient of friction, µ = 0.6
 
actually, it should have been. sign was backwards.

\mu_{k}=\frac{1}{g}(\frac{F}{m}-\frac{v^{2}}{R})

drew a force body diagram to get Normal force, but i never plugged in numbers.

gotta go to class, i'll check in 3-4 hrs.
 
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