What is the electric field at the origin due to a distribution of charges?

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The problem involves calculating the electric field at the origin due to a specific distribution of charges: two negative charges and two positive charges located at the corners of a square. The charges are defined with specific magnitudes and positions, leading to a discussion on the resultant electric field vector at the origin.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the symmetry of the charge distribution and its impact on the electric field. Some express confusion over the method suggested by the professor, noting that it may not apply to this specific arrangement of charges. Others explore the implications of the charges not being symmetrically distributed and how that affects the resultant electric field.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and reasoning. Some have noted that the electric field is non-zero due to the arrangement of charges, while others are questioning the validity of their approaches and the assumptions made about symmetry.

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There is mention of a previous in-class problem that involved alternating charges, which may have influenced participants' expectations regarding the current problem's setup. The geometry of the charge arrangement is also highlighted as a critical factor in understanding the electric field at the origin.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the magnitude of the electric field at the origin due to the following distribution of charges: -q at (x,y) = (a,a), -q at (a,-a), +q at (-a,-a) and +q at (-a,a). Where q = 8.30 × 10-7 C and a = 5.15 cm.

Homework Equations



E = KQ/R^2 or KQ/2a^2
The summation of E = E1 + E2 + E3 + E4

The Attempt at a Solution



I calculated this with the + and - signs and got 0 because their are two signs for each one and they are all the same charge. I did this without the signs and got 5.63E6 N/C.
 
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purduegirl said:

Homework Statement



Calculate the magnitude of the electric field at the origin due to the following distribution of charges: -q at (x,y) = (a,a), -q at (a,-a), +q at (-a,-a) and +q at (-a,a). Where q = 8.30 × 10-7 C and a = 5.15 cm.

Homework Equations



E = KQ/R^2 or KQ/2a^2
The summation of E = E1 + E2 + E3 + E4

The Attempt at a Solution



I calculated this with the + and - signs and got 0 because their are two signs for each one and they are all the same charge. I did this without the signs and got 5.63E6 N/C.
Although the charges are of equal magnitude, they are not symmetrically distributed (i.e. there are two negative charges on the right of the square and two positive charges on the left); this results in a non-zero electric field anywhere in space.
 
I knew there was an electric field here because with the orientation of the charges, when compared to a compass, would make the theoretically compass point in the east direction. But, from there, I have no idea how to solve this problem, since the method suggested by my prof. is not correct for my layout of the problem. The in class prob, had alternating charges.
 
purduegirl said:
I knew there was an electric field here because with the orientation of the charges, when compared to a compass, would make the theoretically compass point in the east direction. But, from there, I have no idea how to solve this problem, since the method suggested by my prof. is not correct for my layout of the problem. The in class prob, had alternating charges.

Recall that if you have an electric field, you are dealing with a vector field.

In the case where you have alternating symmetrical and equal charges then at the mid point of the array of charges you have vectors all canceling out in both the x and y direction.

But as you have noted the charges are not alternating and hence you have a field at the origin. (They are symmetrical about the x-axis though.)

The way I would approach this problem then is to observe the geometry of the charges. Since they are on a square of 2*a on each side, you effectively have two charge pairs. These charge pairs are each separated by 2 a \sqrt 2.

If you draw the vectors carefully you should see that the y components will indeed cancel out because of the x-axis symmetry. You should be able to answer the question then based on it being at the mid-point of a line separating 2 charges (each of which is now 2q) that are separated by 2 a \sqrt 2.
 
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