What is the frictional force on the block in each experiment?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the frictional force on a block held against a wall by a horizontal force. The block weighs 22 N, and the coefficients of static and kinetic friction are 0.55 and 0.38, respectively. In various experiments with different upward and downward forces, the block's movement and the direction of friction are analyzed. It is noted that if the applied force exceeds the maximum static friction, the block will move, and friction acts downward. The conversation emphasizes understanding the relationship between applied force, gravitational force, and friction to determine the block's motion and the sign of the frictional force.
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In Figure 6-63, a block weighing 22 N is held at rest against a vertical wall by a horizontal force of magnitude 60 N. The coefficient of static friction between the wall and the block is 0.55, and the coefficient of kinetic friction between them is 0.38. In six experiments, a second force is applied to the block and directed parallel to the wall with these magnitudes and directions: (a) 34 N, up, (b) 12 N, up, (c) 48 N, up, (d) 62 N, up, (e) 10 N, down, and (f) 18 N, down. In each experiment, what is the frictional force on the block, including sign? In which does the block move (g) up the wall and (h) down the wall ? (i) In which is the frictional force directed down the wall ?

How I attempted to solve:
Taking upwards as positive, x+ from left to right

If the block is at rest, then:

fs <= us N = 0.55 * 60 = 33N
fk = uk N = 0.55 * 60 = 22.8N

Part a.
P = 34 N, up.
P is greater than fs at max, so the block must move, and friction is going down.

P - mg - fk = ma

Ok, from here, I really kinda confused. If you don't know the sign of frictional force, how are you going to write down Newton's second law ? and also, we don't know acceleration too, how are we going to calculate fk ?

Part b, e, f, the block can't move, because P is smaller than fs at max...
 
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Where is the figure?
 
theunloved said:
Part a.
P = 34 N, up.
P is greater than fs at max, so the block must move, and friction is going down.
Don't forget about gravity when deciding if the block must move and determining the direction of friction. You need to compare P - mg with friction, not just P.

P - mg - fk = ma

Ok, from here, I really kinda confused. If you don't know the sign of frictional force, how are you going to write down Newton's second law ?
The proper reasoning as above will tell you the direction and thus the sign of the friction force.
and also, we don't know acceleration too, how are we going to calculate fk ?
Why would you need the acceleration?
 
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