What is the linear velocity of a point on a swinging rod before it hits a wall?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a rod swinging down after being released from a string, with the goal of finding the linear velocity of a specific point just before it impacts a wall. The context includes concepts from rotational dynamics and energy conservation, specifically focusing on the moment of inertia and kinetic energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the center of mass to apply energy conservation principles, questioning the validity of treating the rod as a particle. There is also exploration of the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy, particularly in terms of angular velocity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback and guidance on the use of rotational kinetic energy and conservation of energy principles. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations related to angular velocity and its implications for linear velocity.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with specific values for mass and length, and there is a focus on the assumptions related to the rod's motion and energy transformations. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts and clarifications without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



If you suddenly cut the string, the rod will swing down. Find the linear velocity (V) of
the point P just before the rod hits the wall (the momentum-of-inertial I=(1/3)ML^2 if the rod rotates about the end point Q. L is the rod length and M is the rod mass).

The rod has a mass of 1kg.

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Homework Equations


I=(1/3)ML^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I've found the tension on the string and the force at point Q.(.433kg and .375kg respectively).

For the linear velocity can I just find the center of mass (0.5m), treat it like a particle attached to a massless string and use v=sqrt(2*g*h)?
Or is my logic totally flawed? Any help would be great!
 
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Hi T-Rent! Welcome to PF! :smile:

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T-Rent said:
For the linear velocity can I just find the center of mass (0.5m), treat it like a particle attached to a massless string and use v=sqrt(2*g*h)?
Or is my logic totally flawed?

Yes.

You need to use the rotational formula for kinetic energy
 
Thanks for the quick reply. I'm having some trouble understanding this one. So my KE=1/2*I*W2. What would my W (angular velocity) be?
 
Hi T-Rent! :smile:

(have an omega: ω :wink:)

That's for you to find out, from conservation of energy. :smile:
 
So, let's give this a shot.

PE=mg(L/2)=5J
Rotational KE=1/2*I*ώ2
I=1/3*M*L^2=1/3kg*m2
So solving for ώ gets me 5.46 rad/s which is the same in m/s because my L and radius is 1m.

Does this seem right?
 
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Looks good! :smile:
 

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