What Is the Moment of Inertia of a Square Plate About Its Diagonal?

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The problem involves calculating the moment of inertia of a square plate about its diagonal. The original poster presents a scenario with a square plate and discusses the implications of using the perpendicular axis theorem in their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the perpendicular axis theorem and questions their own calculations regarding the moment of inertia. Some participants seek clarification on the dimensions involved, specifically whether 'a' refers to the side length or the half-diagonal of the square. Others discuss the implications of rotating the square and how it affects the axes of rotation.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the original poster's reasoning and calculations. There is acknowledgment of the correctness of the original poster's answer, along with an exploration of related concepts regarding the moment of inertia for different axes. Participants are engaging with the material and providing supportive feedback.

Contextual Notes

There is some ambiguity regarding the definition of 'a' in the context of the problem, which may affect the calculations. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their reasoning, indicating a need for further exploration of the concepts involved.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the moment of inertia of a straight homogenous plate with mass m shaped like a square where the axis of rotation goes through the diagonal of the plate.

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     / | \ a
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   a \ | /    x
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Homework Equations



Moment of inertia I=\int r^{2}dm

Perpendicular axis theorem I_{z}=I_{x}+I_{y}

The Attempt at a Solution



This is what I've come up with, but I don't know if I'm right.

Being this a square, I've concluded that I_{x}=I_{y}

Using a Perpendicular axis theorem I have I_{z}=2I_{x}

I need I_{x}=0.5I_{z}

I have I_{z}=\frac{m*\left(a^{2}+a^{2}\right)}{12}=\frac{m*\left(a^{2}\right)}{6}

And then I just put it in I_{x}=0.5I_{z} and get I_{x}=\frac{m*a^{2}}{12}

But somehow, I think I'm wrong :biggrin:
 
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Well, why do you think you're wrong?

Also, is a the side length of the square, or is it the "half-diagonal" of the square? It's not clear from your ASCII-art diagram :biggrin:
 
Here's the new picture
I hope it's better than ASCII one

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6522/pictureaor.jpg

The reason why I think I'm wrong is the following. If I rotate the square on the upper picture 45° in any direction around z-axis then the x-axis no longer lies on a diagonal of the square. When I try to calculate the moment of inertia of such square plate (x-axis is the axis of rotation), I get the same solution as I get when the x-axis is on the diagonal.
 
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Your answer is correct, (and well worked out).
You have discovered an interesting fact, which is more than a mere coincidence.
Your working could be applied to any two perpendicular axes in the plane of the plate
through its center!

If I had to criticize, I would say it is a pity that the formula for Iz is
usually considered trickier to derive than the answer you were asked for.

David
 
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Ty for your help, David.
It sure brightens things up a bit for me
 

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