What is the most complex structure you can simulate at home?

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The discussion centers around the capabilities of personal computers in simulating complex structures, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics and molecular dynamics. Participants explore the limits of computational power for simulating atomic and molecular properties, with a focus on practical applications and tools available to individuals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the maximum number of electrons that can be accurately simulated for a hydrogen atom with many electrons, given specific hardware specifications.
  • Another participant suggests that GPU calculations can significantly enhance computational speed and references the BOINC framework as a resource for understanding computational possibilities.
  • A participant corrects the initial assumption about hydrogen, noting that a hydrogen atom only has one electron and discusses the use of 'tricks' in quantum mechanics and molecular dynamics simulations.
  • There is a mention of searching for additional resources related to physical properties and simulation tools, indicating a desire for deeper understanding.
  • The original poster clarifies their interest in many-body problems in quantum mechanics, moving away from the hydrogen atom example.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility of simulating complex structures and the appropriate focus for such simulations. There is no consensus on the maximum complexity achievable with personal computers, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding specific limits and methodologies.

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Participants reference the use of GPUs and distributed computing frameworks, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about the types of simulations possible and the definitions of complexity in the context of quantum mechanics.

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Let's say you have a good personal computer with these characteristics:

i7-6700K, 32GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 2 x GTX 970 4GB

And let's assume you can run your algorithms, software... for 24 hours.

I wonder, if I would be calculating the orbital structure of an hydrogen atom with many electrons, What do you think it is the maximum number of electrons we could use to obtain an accurate prediction?

In case we were calculating molecular properties, What do you think is the most complex structure we could simulate with those tools and amount of time?

This is only to get an idea about what you can calculate at home without any supercomputer, so hopefully people with experience can tell aproximately were are the limits to personal computers.

Thanks!
 
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Don't forget you can do calculations on a GPU too, as these often can solve particular problems orders of magnitudes faster than your CPU. From years back I remember the BOINC-framework that allowed you to donate processing power to worthy causes. Even though you are not talking about doing distributed computing, the BOINC list may still give you an idea of what is possible.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General-purpose_computing_on_graphics_processing_units
[2] http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing
[3] http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Project_list
 
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jonjacson said:
I wonder, if I would be calculating the orbital structure of an hydrogen atom with many electrons, What do you think it is the maximum number of electrons we could use to obtain an accurate prediction?

One.A hydrogen atom only has one electron

In general we use 'tricks' to do things like quantum mechanics, molecular dynamics, etc.

Perhaps you can find something interesting here

Googling 'http://www.cosmologic.de/products/cosmotherm.html physical properties' might also lead you to interesting areas (but it looks as if you want the engine, not the program).

My advice is to learn a bit more about quantum mechanics first: a better use of your time.
 
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Filip Larsen said:
Don't forget you can do calculations on a GPU too, as these often can solve particular problems orders of magnitudes faster than your CPU. From years back I remember the BOINC-framework that allowed you to donate processing power to worthy causes. Even though you are not talking about doing distributed computing, the BOINC list may still give you an idea of what is possible.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General-purpose_computing_on_graphics_processing_units
[2] http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing
[3] http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Project_list

Thanks, it looks interesting. I will read all that information.

BvU said:
One.A hydrogen atom only has one electron

In general we use 'tricks' to do things like quantum mechanics, molecular dynamics, etc.

Perhaps you can find something interesting here

Googling 'http://www.cosmologic.de/products/cosmotherm.html physical properties' might also lead you to interesting areas (but it looks as if you want the engine, not the program).

My advice is to learn a bit more about quantum mechanics first: a better use of your time.

I meant a many body problem in quantum mechanics, let's forget hydrogen.

Thanks for the links.
 

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