What is the most complex structure you can simulate at home?

In summary, the conversation discusses the capabilities of personal computers for performing calculations in quantum mechanics and molecular dynamics. It is suggested that using GPUs can greatly increase processing speed, and the BOINC list is recommended as a resource for understanding what is possible. However, it is advised to have a solid understanding of quantum mechanics before attempting complex calculations.
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Let's say you have a good personal computer with these characteristics:

i7-6700K, 32GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 2 x GTX 970 4GB

And let's assume you can run your algorithms, software... for 24 hours.

I wonder, if I would be calculating the orbital structure of an hydrogen atom with many electrons, What do you think it is the maximum number of electrons we could use to obtain an accurate prediction?

In case we were calculating molecular properties, What do you think is the most complex structure we could simulate with those tools and amount of time?

This is only to get an idea about what you can calculate at home without any supercomputer, so hopefully people with experience can tell aproximately were are the limits to personal computers.

Thanks!
 
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Don't forget you can do calculations on a GPU too, as these often can solve particular problems orders of magnitudes faster than your CPU. From years back I remember the BOINC-framework that allowed you to donate processing power to worthy causes. Even though you are not talking about doing distributed computing, the BOINC list may still give you an idea of what is possible.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General-purpose_computing_on_graphics_processing_units
[2] http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing
[3] http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Project_list
 
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jonjacson said:
I wonder, if I would be calculating the orbital structure of an hydrogen atom with many electrons, What do you think it is the maximum number of electrons we could use to obtain an accurate prediction?

One.A hydrogen atom only has one electron

In general we use 'tricks' to do things like quantum mechanics, molecular dynamics, etc.

Perhaps you can find something interesting here

Googling 'http://www.cosmologic.de/products/cosmotherm.html physical properties' might also lead you to interesting areas (but it looks as if you want the engine, not the program).

My advice is to learn a bit more about quantum mechanics first: a better use of your time.
 
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Filip Larsen said:
Don't forget you can do calculations on a GPU too, as these often can solve particular problems orders of magnitudes faster than your CPU. From years back I remember the BOINC-framework that allowed you to donate processing power to worthy causes. Even though you are not talking about doing distributed computing, the BOINC list may still give you an idea of what is possible.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General-purpose_computing_on_graphics_processing_units
[2] http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing
[3] http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Project_list

Thanks, it looks interesting. I will read all that information.

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One.A hydrogen atom only has one electron

In general we use 'tricks' to do things like quantum mechanics, molecular dynamics, etc.

Perhaps you can find something interesting here

Googling 'http://www.cosmologic.de/products/cosmotherm.html physical properties' might also lead you to interesting areas (but it looks as if you want the engine, not the program).

My advice is to learn a bit more about quantum mechanics first: a better use of your time.

I meant a many body problem in quantum mechanics, let's forget hydrogen.

Thanks for the links.
 

1. What is the definition of complexity in terms of scientific simulations?

Complexity in scientific simulations refers to the number of components or variables involved in the system being simulated. The more components or variables, the more complex the simulation is considered to be.

2. How do you determine the complexity of a simulation?

The complexity of a simulation is typically determined by the number of components or variables, as well as their interactions and interdependencies. This can be assessed through mathematical models and computer simulations.

3. What is the most complex structure that can be simulated at home?

The most complex structure that can be simulated at home depends on the computing power and resources available. With advanced computer programs and powerful processors, it is possible to simulate complex systems such as molecular structures, weather patterns, and biological processes.

4. What are the benefits of simulating complex structures at home?

Simulating complex structures at home allows scientists to study and understand intricate systems in a controlled environment. It also allows for the testing of different scenarios and the observation of how the system responds, without the need for physical experiments.

5. Are there any limitations to simulating complex structures at home?

Yes, there are limitations to simulating complex structures at home, including the availability of resources like computing power and software, as well as the accuracy and reliability of the simulation. Some complex systems may also require specialized equipment or expertise that may not be available at home.

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