What is the point of convergence for a recursive sequence in a plane?

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The discussion revolves around a recursive sequence of points in a plane, specifically examining the convergence of the sequence defined by the distances between points. The original poster presents a sequence of coordinates and seeks to determine the limit of the sequence as it approaches infinity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the x-coordinate of the limit by establishing a recursive relationship and solving for the limit. They express uncertainty about the correctness of their findings and seek confirmation before proceeding to the y-coordinate.
  • Some participants question the need to prove that the sequence is bounded and decreasing, with one participant acknowledging a mistake in their previous proof.
  • Others suggest exploring the nature of the sequence, noting that it oscillates between increasing and decreasing while still approaching a limit.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach. There is acknowledgment of the need for further proof regarding the boundedness and behavior of the sequence, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants are discussing the properties of the sequence, including its boundedness and whether it is strictly increasing or decreasing. The original poster has shared specific coordinate values and recursive definitions, but there is a lack of consensus on the proof of convergence.

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Let \{P_i\}_{i=0}^\infty be a sequence of points on a plane. Suppose P_is are placed as on the picture below, so that |P_0 P_1|=2, |P_1 P_2|=1, |P_2 P_3|=.5, |P_3P_4|=.25, ... Find the coordinate of the point P = \lim_{i→\infty} P_i

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here are the points P_0: (0,0) P_1: (2,0) P_2: (2, 1) P_3: (1.5, 1) P_4: (1.5, .75) P_5: (1.625, .75)

lets examine the x values first:
2, 1.5, 1.625

this is a sequence defined recursively by:

a_1 = 2

a_{n+1} = 2 - \frac{a_n}{4}

L = \lim_{a_n\rightarrow\infty} a_n = \lim_{a_n\rightarrow\infty} a_{n+1} <br /> = \lim_{an\rightarrow\infty} 2-\frac{a_n}{4}

which means that

L = 2-\frac{L}{4}

4L = 8 - L

5L = 8

L = \frac{8}{5}

L = 1.6

so 1.6 would be the x coordinate of the point.

I then would follow a similar process to find the y coordinate, but before I do that I just want to make sure what I have so far is correct.
 

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also forgive me for not proving the sequence is bounded and decreasing (I left it out to save time and narrow the focus) but i have done so by mathematical induction
 
Yes it is correct but also prove it is bounded and decreasing.
 
Ok so it turns out one of my induction proofs was wrong. I can prove it is bounded but this sequence is not strictly increasing or decreasing. it hops back and forth between increasing and decreasing but it IS approaching a certain point. Is there any way to prove that it has a limit?
 
the proof that it is bounded:

1 ≤ a_n ≤ 2

\frac{1}{4} ≤ \frac{a_n}{4} ≤ \frac{2}{4}

-\frac{1}{4} ≥ -\frac{a_n}{4} ≥ -\frac{2}{4}

2-\frac{1}{4} ≥ 2-\frac{a_n}{4} ≥ 2-\frac{2}{4}

1.75 ≥ a_{n+1} ≥ 1.5

1 ≤ 1.5 ≤ a_{n+1} ≤ 1.75 ≤ 2

1 ≤ a_{n+1} ≤ 2
 

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