What physics will you use to find the speed?

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The problem involves a car rolling down a hill of 50 meters in height, with the goal of finding its speed at the bottom. The discussion centers around the application of physics concepts such as kinetic energy (KE) and gravitational potential energy (PE) in the context of conservation of energy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy, questioning how to set up the equations for conservation of energy. There is uncertainty regarding the initial conditions and the interpretation of the equations presented.

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Some participants are exploring the mathematical manipulation of the energy equations, particularly how to isolate variables and understand the transition from potential to kinetic energy. There is a productive exchange of ideas regarding the steps needed to derive the final speed, although no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of the calculations.

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Participants note the lack of mass in the problem and how that affects the use of potential energy in their calculations. There is also discussion about the implications of choosing different reference points for height in the energy equations.

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Homework Statement


Suppose a car starts from rest and rolls down a hill that is 50 m high. You are going to find the speed of the car at the bottom of the hill. What physics will you use to find the speed? Now find the speed.


Homework Equations


KE= 1/2mv^2
PE= mgh
Speed= distance x time

The Attempt at a Solution


I am not sure where to start since there is so little information. 50m (height) x 9.8 m/s^2 (gravity)= 500 m^2/s^ but is this PE? KE? I don't have mass so I don't think its PE, and I'm sure it's not KE.
What I know: its initial velocity is 0, height is 50m, since it is "falling" it is under the influence of gravity 9.8 m/s^2.
If it is falling 50 m at 9.8 m/s that's 5.102 seconds "falling"? So the speed is 5.102s x 50m = 255.01 m/s? Is this correct? Am I along the right lines?
 
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This is a conservation problem. Choose the bottom of the hill as h=0. This will make solving for the unknown easy, even though you can choose h=0 at the top if you wish.

So, initially the car is at rest, so it has zero kinetic energy. Since I took h=0 at the bottom, the car has gravitational potential energy at the top. At the bottom, the car will have some final kinetic energy and zero gravitational potential energy since h=0 there.

So simply set up your equations and solve for v:

<br /> \begin{gathered}<br /> K_o + U_o = K_f + U_f \hfill \\<br /> U_g = K_f \hfill \\<br /> mgh = \tfrac{1}<br /> {2}mv^2 \hfill \\<br /> gh = \tfrac{1}<br /> {2}v^2 \hfill \\<br /> v = \sqrt {2(9.8\tfrac{m}<br /> {{s^2 }})(50m)} \hfill \\<br /> v \approx 31.3\tfrac{m}<br /> {s} \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} <br />
 
I think I am getting however, how do you take out the 1/2 from the v^2 side of the equation? I don't see where it went.
 
or are both sides multiplied by 2?
 
deanine3 said:
or are both sides multiplied by 2?

Yes. Then you are taking the square root of 2gh to get v. :smile:
 
Ok, I really think I have it! When you divide by 2, it becomes 2gh=v^2. The v^2 becomes v=square root sign. Then, under the square root sign you plug in the 2 (from the previous division), gravity, and the height! This is slowly making sense.
 

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