What Pressure is Needed for a Specific Area of Tire Contact?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the area of contact each tire of a car makes with the road based on the car's weight and the gauge pressure of the tires. It also asks for the gauge pressure required to achieve a specific area of contact.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the area of contact using pressure and force but expresses confusion over the results. They also attempt to work backwards for the second part of the problem.
  • Some participants question whether absolute pressure or gauge pressure should be used in the calculations, noting that gauge pressure is what supports the car's weight.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of pressure types and their relevance to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of gauge pressure in this context.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the atmospheric pressure affecting the calculations, and participants reflect on the confusion surrounding the use of absolute versus gauge pressure in similar problems.

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Homework Statement



The weight of your 1205 kg car is supported equally by its four tires, each inflated to a gauge pressure of 35.7 lb/in.^2.

a) What is the area of contact each tire makes with the road? (in m^2)
b) What gauge pressure is required to give an area of contact of 113 cm^2 for each tire? (in lb/in^2)

Homework Equations



Pgauge = P - Patmosphere

Pressure = Force/Area

The Attempt at a Solution



I actually went to my professor for help on this one, hehe. He told me that since the weight is equally supported, I just had to make sure that the force is divided by four. So I did that. First I found the real 'P'.

35.7 = P - 14.7
P = 50.4 lb/in^2

Since they wanted the area of contact in meters, I decided to convert the pressure into N/m^2.

50.4 lb/in^2 x (1.01e5 N/m^2 / 14.7 lb/in^2) = 346285.7143 N/m^2 (we're going to let that equal to X to make it simpler)

Now that I had the pressure and the force, all I should do is plug it into the definition of pressure.

P = F/A
X = (1205 x 9.81 / 4) / A
A = 2955.2625 / X
A = 0.00853 m^2

This isn't the answer, though, and I'm confused as heck. This was how my professor explained it to me, and it's wrong. o_o

For part b, I should theoretically just work backwards. First, I convert cm^2 to m^2.

113 cm^2 x (1 m^2/10000 cm^2) = 0.0113 m^2

P = F/A
P = 2955.2625/0.0113
P = 261527.6549 N/m^2 x (14.7 lb/in^2 / 1.01e5 N/m^2) = 38.064 lb/in^2

Pgauge = P - Patmosphere
Pgauge = 38.064 - 14.7
Pgauge = 23.364 lb/in^2

This is also the wrong answer. :/
 
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A thought on this, I may be completely wrong:

You use the absolute pressure P for your calculation? But the atmosphere is also pressing on the outside of your tires. Maybe the solution is to just use gauge pressure? I don't know.
 
katchum beat me to it: your tires already have one atmosphere of pressure inside them when they're "flat". It's the difference between the pressure inside and outside of the tire wall that matters; the gauge pressure is what supports the car's weight.
 
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I hate myself so much sometimes. :( But thank you so much for the help. Seriously. I was ready to punch myself in the eyeball from this problem.
 
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Nghi said:
I hate myself so much sometimes. :( But thank you so much for the help. Seriously. I was ready to punch myself in the eyeball from this problem.

Don't beat yourself up over it: the students I work with had a similar problem a week or so ago and I had to stop and think a moment as to whether it was the absolute or the gauge pressure that mattered. Different problems may require the use of one or the other...
 

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