What Should I learn before reading this book on Classical Mechanics?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the prerequisites for reading "Classical Mechanics" by Herbert Goldstein, focusing on the necessary mathematical and physics background. Participants explore the required knowledge in calculus, linear algebra, and prior exposure to classical mechanics concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that advanced calculus and vector analysis imply a need for multivariable calculus and a review of linear algebra due to topics like transformation matrices and tensors.
  • Others argue that a typical physics student should have completed Calculus 1, 2, 3, linear algebra, and differential equations before approaching Goldstein's book.
  • A participant notes that Goldstein is generally regarded as a graduate-level textbook and questions whether the original poster has already studied classical mechanics at an intermediate or advanced undergraduate level.
  • Some suggest alternative introductory texts, such as the Susskind book or Fowles, for those who may not be ready for Goldstein.
  • Another participant compares Goldstein to MTW for GR, recommending a progression through other texts like Kleppner & Kolenkow and Landau & Lifschitz before tackling Goldstein.
  • One contribution emphasizes the importance of being comfortable with multi-variable calculus, ordinary differential equations, and having some familiarity with linear algebra and complex analysis, along with a solid foundation in classical mechanics and electromagnetism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the necessary prerequisites, with no consensus on a definitive list of requirements. Some advocate for foundational texts before Goldstein, while others emphasize the importance of advanced mathematics and prior physics knowledge.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various levels of prior knowledge in classical mechanics and mathematics, indicating that individual backgrounds may significantly influence readiness for Goldstein's text. The discussion reflects differing educational experiences and interpretations of prerequisite knowledge.

velo city
Messages
26
Reaction score
0
I am about to read the book Classical Mechanics by Herbert Goldstein. The prerequisites that it says in the book are advanced calculus and vector analysis. Would that mean multivariable calculus? Also there are a lot of things about transformation matrices and tensors. Would I need to review linear algebra for this?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Usually a physics student has Calculus 1,2,3, linear algebra and differential equations under their belt before they tackle this book. There was a couple of kids in my class from NYC who had this book in high school which means they must have had at least Calculus to handle it.

There a light weight version you could consider before getting into Goldsteins book, namely the Susskind Classical Mechanics book which covers the same things in a more minimal fashion with less math.
 
Note that Goldstein is usually considered to be a graduate-school level textbook. Have you already studied classical mechanics at the intermediate/advanced undergraduate level, e.g. Symon or Marion or Fowles/Cassiday?
 
velo city said:
I am about to read the book Classical Mechanics by Herbert Goldstein. The prerequisites that it says in the book are advanced calculus and vector analysis. Would that mean multivariable calculus? Also there are a lot of things about transformation matrices and tensors. Would I need to review linear algebra for this?

I assume you've had basic mechanics before like K&K and Fowles&Cassiday and such? And Calc 1-2 and Linear Algebra in years past then?
 
velo city said:
I am about to read the book Classical Mechanics by Herbert Goldstein.

Is there a particular reason you need to start with Goldstein? Otherwise, I'd suggest a more introductory book like Fowles.
 
Goldstein is like the MTW for GR. Like an encyclopedia, or a <phone book>. I would suggest Kleppner + Kolenkow and then the 'cut to the chase' approach by Landau & Lifschitz. If you like maths, don't stop after L&L, go forward to V. Arnold. ;)
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Kashmir
For mathematics, you should feel extremely comfortable with general multi-variable calculus, linear ordinary differential equations, linear partial differential equations, and (ideally) have at least a passing familiarity with basic linear algebra and basic complex analysis. For physics, you should have a term or two of "senior-level" classical mechanics. For example, my institution's senior CM course covered "all" of Fowles/Cassiday in a term.

Beyond that, a term or two of EM theory would also be extremely helpful (say at the level of Griffiths' electrodynamics). The more physics you know, the easier it is to learn new physics, especially at the level presented by the Goldstein book.

I've heard it said before that if you want to understand mechanics, first you learn math, then you read Goldstein, then you read L&L. And like someone said above, you could also move onto Arnold afterward if you're a masochist.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
Replies
9
Views
4K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
  • · Replies 39 ·
2
Replies
39
Views
10K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
20K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
5K