When are temperature effects included in collisions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the inclusion of temperature effects in particle collisions, particularly in the context of proton-proton and heavy ion collisions at high-energy environments like the LHC. Participants explore the relevance of ambient temperature versus collision temperature, the conditions under which thermal field theory applies, and implications for particle mass in extreme conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether vacuum field theory is appropriate for proton-proton collisions, suggesting that temperature effects might be negligible due to the limited number of particles involved.
  • Another participant asserts that the momenta of colliding particles are the primary determinants of the interaction, rendering ambient temperature irrelevant.
  • Some participants note that in heavy ion collisions, a small, hot volume can be produced, but still consider the ambient environment to be irrelevant.
  • There is a discussion about the restoration of symmetry in scalar fields at high temperatures, with questions about whether this implies massless particles in heavy ion collisions.
  • A participant raises a question regarding the application of thermal equilibrium concepts in processes like Big Bang Nucleosynthesis, contrasting it with proton-proton collisions and the relevance of Fermi-Dirac distribution functions.
  • Another participant clarifies that the equation presented pertains to thermal equilibrium, while collisions in particle accelerators are typically not in equilibrium, focusing instead on cross-sections rather than rates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of temperature effects in particle collisions, with some asserting that ambient temperature is irrelevant while others explore the implications of temperature in specific contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which thermal effects should be included.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of thermal systems versus vacuum systems, the conditions necessary for applying thermal field theory, and the assumptions about particle interactions in non-equilibrium states.

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When a proton collides with a proton say at the LHC, is vacuum field theory used? It seems like you shouldn't have to include temperature effects since there are only two particles. But then again, all experiments take place at finite temperature, the ambient temperature of the room?

When a heavy ion collides with a heavy ion, I assume you have to use thermal field theory. But what if you collide them really slowly? Also, at high temperatures, symmetry of a scalar field can be restored, i.e., the Higgs vacuum expectation value can be zero again. Does this mean the particles in heavy ion collisions can be massless?

I guess I'm confused about ambient temperature versus collision temperature, how many particles are required to define a thermal system versus a vacuum system, and also about the Higgs field: if the temperature of one part of the universe is really really high, do particles in the vicinity lose mass?
 
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When two particles collide their momenta determine the physics of the interaction. Ambient temperature is irrelevant.
 
It seems like you shouldn't have to include temperature effects since there are only two particles.
Right.

In lead-lead collisions, the collision partners can produce a small, hot volume (with temperatures of the order of 100 MeV), but the environment is always irrelevant.

Also, at high temperatures, symmetry of a scalar field can be restored, i.e., the Higgs vacuum expectation value can be zero again. Does this mean the particles in heavy ion collisions can be massless?
The LHC is far away from those energies.
 
I am also having this kind of question, for example if someone wants to study the Big Bang Nucleosynthesis, he can find there that the width for the interaction:

\nu n \rightarrow p e
is given by:

\Gamma = \int d \Pi \bar{\delta} |M_{\nu n \rightarrow p e}|^{2} f_{n} f_{\nu} (1-f_{p})(1-f_{e})
where by d \Pi I mean the product of each momentum phase space, M is the interaction invariant matrix element, \bar{\delta} the appropriate delta function to conserve 4momentum and f_{i} the Fermi-Dirac distribution function.
Why in general don't we take the last into account in other interactions such as the pp collision?
If it's already been answered by someone above, I am sorry but I didn't "get" the answer.
 
Your equation here considers the rate of this process in thermal equilibrium, with many neutrinos and neutrons flying around.
Collisions in particle accelerators are far away from this equilibrium, and we are interested in the cross-section instead of the rate (the rate then just follows from geometry).
 

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