When Will the Proton Meet the Rear of the Ship?

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The problem involves a scenario where a proton is fired from a ship moving at a significant fraction of the speed of light. The context is rooted in special relativity, specifically addressing the temporal separation between events as observed from different reference frames. The original poster attempts to calculate the time it takes for the proton to reach the rear of the ship from both the ship's frame and the observer's frame.

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  • Participants discuss the use of relativistic formulas to calculate time intervals and question the correctness of the original poster's calculations for different frames. There is an exploration of how the ship's motion affects the perceived distance the proton travels.

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Some participants have offered insights into the misunderstanding of distances in different frames and have prompted further questioning about the values used in the calculations. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored without a clear consensus.

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There are indications that assumptions about the distances traveled by the proton relative to the ship and the observer may need to be reconsidered. The proper length of the ship and the velocities involved are central to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


The figure shows a ship (attached to reference frame S') passing us (standing in reference frame S) with velocity http://edugen.wileyplus.com/edugen/shared/assignment/test/session.quest2564447entrance1_N1002E.mml?size=14&ver=1463885870814 = 0.952chttp://edugen.wileyplus.com/edugen/shared/assignment/test/session.quest2564447entrance1_N1004A.mml?size=14&ver=1463885870814 . A proton is fired at speed 0.976c relative to the ship from the front of the ship to the rear. The proper length of the ship is 760 m. What is the temporal separation between the time the proton is fired and the time it hits the rear wall of the ship according to (a) a passenger in the ship and (b) us? Suppose that, instead, the proton is fired from the rear to the front. What then is the temporal separation between the time it is fired and the time it hits the front wall according to (c) the passenger and (d) us?

Homework Equations


L=L0*sqrt(1-ß^2)
t=t0/sqrt(1-ß^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


Part a and c are easy, I simply used time=distance/speed since for the passenger it is the rest frame. However I was not able to get part b or d correct. I calculated the contacted length L=760*sqrt(1-0.952^2)=232.6344979m. And then calculated the time interval to be t=L/0.976c=0.798 microsecond. This was not the correct solution so I combined the velocities using the formula:
u + v
w = ---------
1 + uv/c2
where u=0.952c and v=-0.976c, and got t=L/w=2.29microsec

Please let me know which part I did wrong thanks heaps!
 

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i_hate_math said:
so I combined the velocities using the formula:
u + v
w = ---------
1 + uv/c2
where u=0.952c and v=-0.976c, and got t=L/w=2.29microsec
The proton doesn't travel the distance L relative to frame S. The ship moves to the right while the proton is traveling from the front to the rear of the ship.
 
TSny said:
The proton doesn't travel the distance L relative to frame S. The ship moves to the right while the proton is traveling from the front to the rear of the ship.
Would it be shorter than L? L=ϒ(x-vt)?
 
i_hate_math said:
Would it be shorter than L? L=ϒ(x-vt)?
I don't think so. But I don't know what values of x and t you intend to use here.

Since the ship has length L in frame S, the proton is a distance L from the rear of the ship at the instant it is fired according to frame S. As the proton is traveling towards the rear at speed w (relative to S) the rear is traveling to the right (relative to S). When will the proton meet the rear of the ship?
 

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