Where could I buy electron guns?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the search for electron guns, particularly in the context of their application for neutralizing ion beams from ion thrusters. Participants explore various sources and technical considerations related to electron guns and neutralization methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding places to buy electron guns and seeks feedback.
  • Another participant suggests that the request needs to be more specific, noting that electronics stores sell TVs that use electron guns.
  • A participant specifies a need for an electron gun that can neutralize an ion beam of about 3mA and shares a link to a potential source.
  • Some participants clarify that typically, an electron gun is not used for neutralizing ion beams; instead, a neutralizer that recombines electrons with ions is used, referencing the principle behind neutral beam injectors.
  • One participant shares their intention to neutralize the ion beam from an ion thruster and requests further information on the topic.
  • A participant discusses an alternative method of producing neutral ions by accelerating negative ions and stripping off an electron, citing the Spallation Neutron Source as an example.
  • Another participant mentions the use of trailing electrodes or injectors for neutralization and provides links to relevant documents and patents.
  • A participant expresses interest in general-purpose thermionic emitters and questions their suitability for neutralizing the ion beam, noting a match in current with their ion motor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the use of electron guns for neutralizing ion beams, with multiple competing views on the appropriate methods and technologies involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved technical details regarding the specific requirements for neutralization and the effectiveness of different methods proposed by participants.

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Hi everyone.

I've searched the internet, but has great difficulty finding places to buy electron guns. I would appreciate any feedback!

Kind regards,
Lourie
 
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Welcom to PF.

You'll need to be a little more specific about you are looking for because any decent electronics store still sells TVs that use an electron gun.
 
russ_watters said:
Welcom to PF.

You'll need to be a little more specific about you are looking for because any decent electronics store still sells TVs that use an electron gun.

I want an electron gun that could neutralize an ion beam of about 3mA. The only proper site I found was this one: http://www.kimballphysics.com/electron_guns/egun_prod.htm
 
Normally, one would not use an electron gun to neutralize on ion beam. One uses a neutralizer that recombines the electrons from the ion source with the ions. This is the principle behind a neutral beam injector.

Ions will only remain ions in a vacuum, and on earth, that would in a vacuum chamber containing the ion source, which would mean that the electrons from those ions are somewhere nearby (usually).
 
Astronuc said:
Normally, one would not use an electron gun to neutralize on ion beam. One uses a neutralizer that recombines the electrons from the ion source with the ions. This is the principle behind a neutral beam injector.

Ions will only remain ions in a vacuum, and on earth, that would in a vacuum chamber containing the ion source, which would mean that the electrons from those ions are somewhere nearby (usually).

Yes, this is my idea. I wish to neutralise the ion beam coming out of an ion thruster. Could you please give me a little more light on the subject Astronuc?
 
One source of neutral ions is to accelerate negative ions, and then strip the extra electron off to produce a neutral ion. The Spallation Neutron Source (SNS) in Tennessee accelerates negative hydrogen ions (one proton with two bound electrons) up to 1000 MeV, and then strips the extra electron off with either a laser or a thin foil. The neutral ion is a hydrogen atom, with only one electron.
Bob S
 
PCLNuclear said:
Yes, this is my idea. I wish to neutralise the ion beam coming out of an ion thruster. Could you please give me a little more light on the subject Astronuc?
Ah - ok. Some use trailing electrodes, others some kind of injector.

Here's one using an injector.
Characterization of an Ion Thruster Neutralizer
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2005/TM-2005-213883.pdf

Also try this invention - http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4838021.pdf
 
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Astronuc said:
Ah - ok. Some use trailing electrodes, others some kind of injector.

Here's one using an injector.
Characterization of an Ion Thruster Neutralizer
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2005/TM-2005-213883.pdf

Also try this invention - http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4838021.pdf

Thanks a lot. I've looked at the following general purpose
thermionic emitters: http://www.kimballphysics.com/cathode/catalog_PDF/tantalum%20cathodes.pdf.

They look good to me, am I correct? One of them has the same current as my ion motor, 3mA, so it would then be able to neutralise the beam? Thanks again!
 
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