Where did I go wrong? (an object moves through a half circle)

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In summary: It's the distance traveled divided by the time taken to travel that distance. It doesn't measure the displacement, it measures the total distance traveled during that time.
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Missing homework template due to originally being posted in other forum.
This is the question:
During a time interval of 5 seconds, an object moves through a half circle with a radius of 10 meters, as shown above. What is the magnitude of the object's velocity during this motion?

Note: I do not know how to post the diagram, but it simply shows a curved arrow going around a half circle, with the object ending exactly across from its starting point.
I solved this using V=2(pi)(r)/Period.
The period of half of a circle is five seconds so the period of a full circle is ten seconds.
So: 2pi(10)/(10 seconds)
I got an answer of 2 pi m/s.
The book says the answer is 4 m/s because the change in displacement is twenty meters (diameter) and the time is five seconds, so d/t=20/5=4 m/s.

Who went wrong?
 
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Dennis Heerlein said:
During a time interval of 5 seconds, an object moves through a half circle with a radius of 10 meters, as shown above. What is the magnitude of the object's velocity during this motion?

Is this the problem statement exactly as stated? The book is computing the magnitude of the average velocity, which is not necessarily equal to the average of the magnitude of the velocity.
 
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This is exactly as stated, word for word. So can you explain who is wrong, and the difference of those you stated?
 
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So can you explain who is wrong, and the difference of those you stated?
No, the question is ambiguous. It is not clear whether it is the magnitude of the average velocity or the average of the magnitude of the velocity which is intended. The author seems to have intended the former, but just reading the statement I might interpret it as the latter as well. It is simply a badly posed question. If the author had written "find the magnitude of the average velocity" or "find the average speed", the problem would have been fine.

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and the difference of those you stated?

If you go around the full circle at constant speed (which is the magnitude of the velocity) and end up where you started, what would have been your average velocity (remember, velocity is displacement/time so average velocity is total displacement / total time)? What would have been your average speed?
 
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Average speed would be 2pi m/s? Average velocity would be 4m/s?
 
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Dennis Heerlein said:
Average speed would be 2pi m/s?

This of course depends on the actual speed with which you are travelling. But let us say you are traveling constantly at 1 m/s - then your average speed will be ... 1 m/s. Nothing strange here, the time average of a constant quantity is the quantity itself.

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Average velocity would be 4m/s?

If you go a full lap around the circle (which is what I was asking about), what is your total displacement?
 
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Average speed would be 2pi m/s? Average velocity would be 4m/s?
No, the average velocity will be zero, because that's net displacement divided by time and net displacement is zero. Average speed will be just whatever the constant speed was. In symbols, the magnitude of average velocity is
$$\frac{\|\int_{t1}^{t2} \vec{v}\,dt\|}{t2-t1}$$
whereas the average speed is
$$\frac{\int_{t1}^{t2} \|\vec{v}\|dt}{t2-t1}$$
 
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Okay. If a full lap around the circle is made then the average velocity would be zero due to zero displacement. But what does the formula 2pir/T measure then?
 
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Okay. If a full lap around the circle is made then the average velocity would be zero due to zero displacement. But what does the formula 2pir/T measure then?
Average speed.
 
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1. Where did I go wrong in calculating the object's velocity?

There are a few possible areas where you may have made a mistake when calculating the object's velocity while it moves through a half circle. First, make sure you are using the correct formula for circular motion, which is v = rω. Additionally, check that you are using the correct values for radius and angular velocity. Finally, double check your calculations to ensure that you have not made any errors in your math.

2. What can cause the object to deviate from a perfect half circle path?

There are a few factors that can cause an object to deviate from a perfect half circle path. These include external forces such as air resistance or friction, imperfections in the object's shape or surface, and variations in the object's velocity or angular velocity. Additionally, any errors in your calculations could also result in the object deviating from a perfect half circle path.

3. How does the object's mass affect its motion through a half circle?

The object's mass does not directly affect its motion through a half circle. However, a heavier object may require more force to move through the half circle and may experience more air resistance or friction, which could result in a slightly different path. In general, the mass of an object will not significantly impact its motion through a half circle unless it is extremely large or small.

4. Can the object's initial velocity affect its path through a half circle?

Yes, the object's initial velocity can have a significant impact on its path through a half circle. If the object's initial velocity is too low, it may not have enough momentum to complete the half circle and could deviate from the intended path. On the other hand, if the initial velocity is too high, the object may overshoot the half circle and continue on a different path. It is important to carefully consider and calculate the initial velocity when analyzing an object's motion through a half circle.

5. How does the object's shape or size affect its motion through a half circle?

The object's shape and size can have a significant impact on its motion through a half circle. Objects with different shapes and sizes will experience different amounts of air resistance and may have different moments of inertia, which can affect how they move through the half circle. Additionally, any imperfections or asymmetry in the object's shape can also cause it to deviate from a perfect half circle path. It is important to consider the object's shape and size when analyzing its motion through a half circle.

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