Which Surface Roughness value to use for pipe flow friction factor

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For predicting pressure drop in pipelines, the discussion emphasizes the importance of selecting the correct surface roughness value for calculating the Moody Friction Factor. The user has measured various surface roughness parameters but is uncertain which corresponds to "Absolute Roughness" in the Moody Chart. Recommendations suggest using Rq (RMS roughness) or Rz (average peak-to-peak roughness) as they are more accurate descriptors than Ra, which tends to underestimate roughness. The Colebrook equation is highlighted as a key resource for relating friction factor to roughness. Accurate selection of these values is crucial for reliable pressure drop predictions in different materials.
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I am trying to predict pressure drop in a pipeline with a range of different materials.

I have used a surface profilometer to measure the surface roughness of the different materials and I have values for various surface roughness variables - Ra Rz Rmax Rq Rm S Sm R3z Wt and a range of other variables.

The calculations I am using are based on using an "Absolute Roughness" (units mm) and the pipe diameter (units mm) to calculate a "Relative Roughness" and then from this calculate the Moody Friction Factor and head loss.

My issue is I have no idea which surface roughness value corresponds to the "Absolute Roughness" as used by the Moody Chart.

Thanks in advance for any assistance
 
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Look up the Colebrook equation, which will relate friction factor to roughness. I would suggest using Rq, which is the RMS roughness.
 
I believe Rz is the closest modern descriptor. There's some interesting discussion in this recent paper: http://www.rit.edu/~w-taleme/Papers/Conference%20Papers/C084.pdf

Moody's data was based on work by Nikuradse, who laquered sand-grains to the inside of pipes. Rz is the average peak-to-peak roughness and seems to be the closest descriptor. The mathematical average roughness, Ra, will usually be way too low (close to a factor of 4).
 
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