White light interference pattern and its resolution criteria

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The discussion revolves around the interference pattern produced by white light in a Michelson interferometer, focusing on the criteria for resolution and the implications of using different light sources. Participants are exploring the nuances of spatial coherence and the behavior of light at various wavelengths.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the requirements for spatial coherence and the significance of the primary maximum of blue light in relation to red light. Some participants question the details of the Michelson configurations and their effects on the observed interference patterns.

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Participants are actively engaging with the complexities of the problem, with some offering insights into the types of configurations and their outcomes. There is a recognition of the vagueness of the original question, and suggestions are made to explore specific cases, such as using blue light to map interference patterns.

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I don't know how to do part d.
For di, i know that separation of arm d should be small in order to have spatial coherence.
For dii, what is the meaningful criterion, can I say the primary max of blue light lies on the first zero of red light?
I have no idea of part iii too. Please help.
 

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Part (d) especially is asking you to answer a rather specialized question without giving much detail on the particular arrangement. There are two types of Michelson configurations=plane wave and diffuse source. The plane wave form results in the entire screen seeing an intensity that depends on the interference. For the diffuse source type, you get a series of rings. See the following "link" post 3: https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...michelson-interferometer.933638/#post-5902650 ## \\ ## In my opinion, [Edit: The "white light" interference, upon working out the details, (and seeing that you won't get a true rainbow effect), appears to be of somewhat secondary significance =the detail of the "white light' interference was previously omitted in my classwork and laboratory schooling that I had using the Michelson interferometer], they would do well to present more material, and quiz you on that. It appears you are kind of on the right track though=for white light, the spacing ## d ## needs to be very small, really basically ## d=0 ## to get white light to interfere. ## d=0 ## should get you an ## m=0 ## bright spot, independent of ## \theta ##, (where ## m \lambda=2d \cos(\theta) ##), that will occur regardless of wavelength. ( Let's assume this is a diffuse source type Michelson). The rings will be most prominent for white light at ## m=1 ##, just a little away from ## d=0 ##, if there happens to be more of one selected color in the spectrum=e.g. more blue than red. ## \\ ## It is rather difficult to quantify what really appears to be a rather vague question that they are giving you. You could try starting with just blue light for ## d=1 ##, and mapping out a ring pattern, and overlaying a red light ring pattern to see what you get. See also post 7 of the "link" above for the equation that will quantify the intensity of the ring pattern as a function of ## d ##, ## \lambda ##, and ## \theta ##. ## \\ ## Editing: I have one additional idea: Right around ## m=1, ## I think the observed pattern may look like the colors of the rainbow [Edit: See below=this part here is somewhat in error], with the shorter wavelengths constructively interfering for larger ## \theta ## than the longer wavelengths. There will start to be appreciably mixing when ## 2 \lambda_{blue}=2d ## i.e. when ## m=2 ## for blue, because then you have very nearly ## m=1 ## for red at the same angle as ## m=2 ## for blue. (Not precisely, but I'll let you fill in the details). I'll let you determine if there still may be some interference present for this case. ## \\ ## Additional editing: With a monochromatic source the interference effect is fringes that vary in intensity. With a white light source, the interference effect is a rainbow pattern= [Edit: See below: This is somewhat in error] with the intensity fairly uniform over the entire pattern. ## \\ ## And one more input for this problem: If the output of the Michelson is focused onto a screen for viewing, ## \theta ## may be somewhat limited, and you might have a span of ## \theta ## something like ## 0<\theta <30^o ##. Thereby, at ## m=1 ##, you probably won't see all of the colors of the rainbow at the same time at one single position ##d ##. ## \\ ## And one part needs correcting here: It will be the colors of the rainbow with much overlap: Unlike a prism or diffraction grating where ## \theta=\theta(\lambda) ##, here each ## \lambda ## has a wide fringe pattern and is not precisely located like it is with a prism or diffraction grating. My previous statement, that you see the colors off the rainbow is somewhat in error, but I am going to leave it there, so you can see where it is incorrect.
 
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Part (d) especially is asking you to answer a rather specialized question without giving much detail on the particular arrangement. There are two types of Michelson configurations=plane wave and diffuse source. The plane wave form results in the entire screen seeing an intensity that depends on the interference. For the diffuse source type, you get a series of rings. See the following "link" post 3: https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...michelson-interferometer.933638/#post-5902650 ## \\ ## In my opinion, [Edit: The "white light" interference, upon working out the details, (and seeing that you won't get a true rainbow effect), appears to be of somewhat secondary significance =the detail of the "white light' interference was previously omitted in my classwork and laboratory schooling that I had using the Michelson interferometer], they would do well to present more material, and quiz you on that. It appears you are kind of on the right track though=for white light, the spacing ## d ## needs to be very small, really basically ## d=0 ## to get white light to interfere. ## d=0 ## should get you an ## m=0 ## bright spot, independent of ## \theta ##, (where ## m \lambda=2d \cos(\theta) ##), that will occur regardless of wavelength. ( Let's assume this is a diffuse source type Michelson). The rings will be most prominent for white light at ## m=1 ##, just a little away from ## d=0 ##, if there happens to be more of one selected color in the spectrum=e.g. more blue than red. ## \\ ## It is rather difficult to quantify what really appears to be a rather vague question that they are giving you. You could try starting with just blue light for ## d=1 ##, and mapping out a ring pattern, and overlaying a red light ring pattern to see what you get. See also post 7 of the "link" above for the equation that will quantify the intensity of the ring pattern as a function of ## d ##, ## \lambda ##, and ## \theta ##. ## \\ ## Editing: I have one additional idea: Right around ## m=1, ## I think the observed pattern may look like the colors of the rainbow [Edit: See below=this part here is somewhat in error], with the shorter wavelengths constructively interfering for larger ## \theta ## than the longer wavelengths. There will start to be appreciably mixing when ## 2 \lambda_{blue}=2d ## i.e. when ## m=2 ## for blue, because then you have very nearly ## m=1 ## for red at the same angle as ## m=2 ## for blue. (Not precisely, but I'll let you fill in the details). I'll let you determine if there still may be some interference present for this case. ## \\ ## Additional editing: With a monochromatic source the interference effect is fringes that vary in intensity. With a white light source, the interference effect is a rainbow pattern= [Edit: See below: This is somewhat in error] with the intensity fairly uniform over the entire pattern. ## \\ ## And one more input for this problem: If the output of the Michelson is focused onto a screen for viewing, ## \theta ## may be somewhat limited, and you might have a span of ## \theta ## something like ## 0<\theta <30^o ##. Thereby, at ## m=1 ##, you probably won't see all of the colors of the rainbow at the same time at one single position ##d ##. ## \\ ## And one part needs correcting here: It will be the colors of the rainbow with much overlap: Unlike a prism or diffraction grating where ## \theta=\theta(\lambda) ##, here each ## \lambda ## has a wide fringe pattern and is not precisely located like it is with a prism or diffraction grating. My previous statement, that you see the colors off the rainbow is somewhat in error, but I am going to leave it there, so you can see where it is incorrect.
Thank you so much for the large amount of information. I will process it and try.
 
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@Clara Chung What might be the most important part in analyzing the white light interference is the equation, ## I(\theta)=I_o \cos^2( \frac{\pi D \, cos(\theta)}{\lambda}) ## from post 7 of this "link" : https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...michelson-interferometer.933638/#post-5902650 That equation is derived in post 8 of the same "link". ## \\ ## Additional note: It's been a while since I looked at this posting in the "link", so I had to study it a little: The distance ## D ## in this posting is defined as the path length difference in distance (on-axis) ## D=2d ##. ## \\ ## Notice you will get interference maxima (the brightest part of the interference fringe/ring) when ## D \cos(\theta)=2d \cos(\theta)=m \lambda ##.
 
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