Why Did I Get the Newton's Law Problem Wrong?

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The discussion revolves around a Newton's Law problem involving two blocks on a tabletop and a suspended mass. The original poster is seeking help to verify their calculations for the maximum mass that can be suspended without causing the blocks to slip. Key equations are derived for acceleration and tension, leading to different expressions for the maximum mass. Participants confirm the validity of the equations and clarify the relationships between the forces acting on the blocks. The conversation concludes with agreement on the correct approach to solving the problem.
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Hi, I needed to calculate this for my quiz couple days ago, but I didn't get the right answer. Professor told me that I set it up correctly, so I don't understand why I got it wrong. Can anyone help? I resolved this problem, so I just need to verify the answer. Thanks

Q: Block B, with mass m_b, rests on block A, with mass m_a, which in turn is on a horizontal tabletop. The coefficient of kinetic friction between block A and the tabletop is \mu_k, and the coefficient of static friction between block A and block B is \mu_s. A light string attached to block A passes over a frictionless, massless pulley and block C is suspended from the other end of the string. What is the largest mass m_c that block C can have so that blocks A and B still slide together when the system is released from rest?

Here is what I have so far:

\SigmaF = m_ca
Block C
______
x:m_cg - T_c = m_ca
T_c = m_c(g-a)

Block B
--------
x: f_B = m_ba
\mu_sN_B = m_ba
y:N_b - m_bg = 0
N_b = m_bg

Block A
-------
x:T_A - f_A - f_B = m_Aa
T_A - \mu_kN_A - \mu_sN_B = m_Aa
y: N_A - N_B - m_Ag = 0

Max m_c
-------------------
T_C = m_c(g-a)
T_A = T_C

Now I need to solve for a:
-------------------------
m_Aa + \mu_kN_B + \mu_sN_B = m_c(g-a)
m_Aa + \mu_k[g(m_A + m_B)] + \mu_s(m_bg) = m_cg - m_ca
a = \frac{\mu_sN_B}{m_B} = \frac{\mu_sm_Bg}{m_B} = \mu_sg
m_A(\mu_sg) + \mu_k[g(m_A + m_B)] + \mu_s(m_Bg) = m_cg - m_c(\mu_sg)
m_A\mu_sg + \mu_k[g(m_A + m_B)] + \mu_sm_bg = m_c(g - \mu_sg)
m_c = \frac{m_A\mu_sg + \mu_k[g(m_A + m_B)] + \mu_sm_Bg}{g - \mu_sg}

Is this correct?
 
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PhysicsinCalifornia said:
a = \frac{\mu_sN_B}{m_B} = \frac{\mu_sm_Bg}{m_B} = \mu_sg

Is this correct?
With no slipping, the acceleration should be
a = \frac{m_C-(m_A+m_B)\mu_k}{m_A+m_B+m_C}g
 
OlderDan said:
With no slipping, the acceleration should be
a = \frac{m_C-(m_A+m_B)\mu_k}{m_A+m_B+m_C}g

Well, with my acceleration and your accerlation, I set those equal to each other and I got:

m_c = \frac{(m_A + m_B)(\mu_s + \mu_k)}{(1 - \mu_s)}
 
PhysicsinCalifornia said:
Well, with my acceleration and your accerlation, I set those equal to each other and I got:

m_c = \frac{(m_A + m_B)(\mu_s + \mu_k)}{(1 - \mu_s)}
So, I take it you accept my equation for (a). Can you see where it comes from? You should be able to reproduce it from your free body equations.
 
OlderDan said:
a = \frac{m_C-(m_A+m_B)\mu_k}{m_A+m_B+m_C}g

Well, I see that m_A + m_B comes from the two blocks on top of each other because block A is at rest relative to block B.
In that case:
T - f_k = (m_A + m_B)a
T - \mu_kN = (m_A + m_B)a
T - \mu_k(m_A + m_B)g = (m_A + m_B)a
Plugging T with the equation that I had:
T_c = m_cg - m_ca since Tension are equal
thus::

(m_cg - m_ca) - \mu_k(m_A + m_B)g = (m_A + m_B)a
Solving for a gives:
a = g\frac{m_c - \mu_k(m_A + m_B)}{m_A + m_B + m_c}

That matches with your a
 
PhysicsinCalifornia said:
That matches with your a
Then I think we are good on this one.
 
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