Why do I have to use integration and components?

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The discussion centers on the necessity of using integration and components when calculating the force on a wire in a magnetic field. The equation F=ILcrossB is applicable only for straight wires, and the force must be evaluated as a function of position along a curved wire. Simplifying the problem to F=ILBsin90 with L=2*pi*r/4 is not valid due to the changing direction of the wire. Instead, the differential force must be calculated using integration to account for these variations. Therefore, integration is essential for accurately determining the force on a wire in a magnetic field.
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in the picture.

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F=ILcrossB
Along with the original question, the other picture contains the solution with different numbers. I was just wondering why when finding the force on the wire instead of making dl= R*dtheta and going through the integration and separating the force into to components. Why isn't it possible to simply solve the equation for F=ILBsin90 with L= 2*pi*r/4?
 

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Mariah said:
in the picture.
Not really
 
Mariah said:

Homework Statement


in the picture.

Homework Equations


F=ILcrossB
Along with the original question, the other picture contains the solution with different numbers. I was just wondering why when finding the force on the wire instead of making dl= R*dtheta and going through the integration and separating the force into to components. Why isn't it possible to simply solve the equation for F=ILBsin90 with L= 2*pi*r/4?
From what you've learned (using the right-hand rule), what is the direction of the differential force on each small section of the wire?
 
Mariah said:
F=ILcrossB
That equation is only for a straight L.
There are various ways to generalise it. E.g. if we take ##\vec I## and ##\vec B## as functions of position s along a wire then ##\vec F=\int\vec I\times\vec B.ds##. Or we could take current as a scalar I and make the path element the vector: ##\vec F=\int I \vec {ds}\times\vec B##. Same result.
Since the path changes direction, this cannot be reduced to ##IL\times B##.
 
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