Is the Kuiper Belt responsible for the subtle slowdown in Bode's law?

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In summary, Bode's law works well because it is empirical and does not rely on a theory. Pluto, which was not discovered at the time of Bode's law, is not close to being a planet. Google can be used to find more information about this theory.
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Why does Bode's law work so well?
Has anyone figured it out yet?
 
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It is completely empirical and does not work. Pluto, not discoverd at the time of Bode's Law is not even close.
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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jbstoneking/jbspage4.htm
 
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On that link there is a theory about ion waves from the sun causing
nodes where the planets orbit.Is this theory likely to be right?
 
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It seems a bit far fetched to me, but perhaps not impossible. It is not clear if he has a well formulated mathematical model or merely more empirical relationships.
 
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Years ago there was talk about magnetic forces in the primeval gas/dust cloud that could do it. I haven't heard of anything about that in a long time. Pluto is not a good test case, since it may not have formed at the same time and out of the same cloud the other planets did. Some folks don't even consider it a planet!
 
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If the anomalous acceleration of pioneer 10 is being caused by some sort of radiation pressure then perhaps ions being reflected back to the sun account for it.
 
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Rothiemurchus said:
If the anomalous acceleration of pioneer 10 is being caused by some sort of radiation pressure then perhaps ions being reflected back to the sun account for it.
Hmm... Wouldn't ant radiation pressure orginating in the solar system tend to speed it up, rather then slow it down?
 
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Rothiemurchus said:
On that link there is a theory about ion waves from the sun causing
nodes where the planets orbit.Is this theory likely to be right?

Why would there be nodes of any sort on an open system and the only radiation of ion acoustic waves is strictly outward?
 
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The slowdown is very subtle, like about 7 mph / century. I've heard a theory that the slowdown could be accounted for if the Kuiper Belt were more massive than expected, either by the existence of more KBOs than theorized, or by the presence of lots of dust. The planets, orbiting interior to the belt, and in the same plane, are not affected, but outside the belt, the cumulitave gravitational forces would slow an object down. This is similar to the question about how much would you weigh if you were inside a hollow at the center of the Earth. The answer is you would be weightless because you're being pulled from all directions, but on the surface and above, you have weight.

But unlike the hollow in the middle of a sphere example, the Kupier Belt is not a sphere, but a disk. So to experience a net gravitational force of 0 from the Kuiper Belt, an object needs to be orbiting in the ecliptic as well as orbiting interior to the Kuiper Belt.

I understand that the Ulysses spacecraft experiences the same slowdown. Although its orbit never carries it as far from the Sun as the Kuiper Belt, its high inclination carries it high above the ecliptic.

Here's a link related to this theory:
http://www.Newtonphysics.on.ca/Anomalous/Acceleration.html
 
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1. What is Bode's law?

Bode's law is an empirical rule used to estimate the distances of planets in our solar system from the sun. It states that the distance of a planet from the sun is approximately twice the distance of the previous planet in the sequence, starting from Mercury.

2. How does Bode's law work?

Bode's law is based on a mathematical pattern, where each planet's distance from the sun is roughly double the distance of the previous planet. This pattern can be seen in the pattern of orbital periods of the planets in our solar system.

3. Is Bode's law accurate?

Bode's law is often criticized for being inaccurate, as it does not perfectly predict the distances of all the planets from the sun. However, it does provide a rough estimate and can be useful in understanding the relative distances of the planets in our solar system.

4. What is the origin of Bode's law?

Bode's law was first proposed in the late 18th century by Johann Titius and Johann Bode. They observed a pattern in the distances of the planets from the sun and created a mathematical formula to represent it. However, there is still debate over whether this pattern is just a coincidence or if there is a deeper explanation for it.

5. Does Bode's law work for other solar systems?

Bode's law has been tested in other solar systems, but it does not seem to hold up as well as it does in our own. This could be due to the different planetary compositions and orbital patterns in other solar systems. Therefore, Bode's law is not considered a universal law and is only applicable to our own solar system.

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