Why does heat flow from hot to cold?

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The discussion revolves around the question of why heat flows from hot to cold, exploring the underlying principles and theories related to this phenomenon. Participants examine concepts from thermodynamics, entropy, and molecular behavior, while also questioning the definitions and origins of these ideas.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the flow of heat is related to fluctuations, questioning the origin of this phenomenon.
  • Others reference the second law of thermodynamics, indicating that entropy drives the system towards equilibrium and a constant temperature.
  • A participant raises the point that the concept of heat flow may simply be a definition rather than a fundamental principle.
  • One analogy involves a box with red and blue balls representing hot and cold molecules, respectively, illustrating that mixing leads to a uniform distribution rather than attraction between different temperatures.
  • Another participant describes a scenario with gas molecules of varying speeds, explaining that collisions between hot and cold molecules result in energy transfer, leading to cooling of hot molecules and heating of cold ones. They argue that for heat to flow from cold to hot would require an improbable scenario in isolated collisions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the origin and definition of heat flow, with no consensus reached on the fundamental reasons behind the phenomenon. Multiple competing explanations and analogies are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about molecular behavior and definitions of heat flow are not explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of thermodynamic principles involved.

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What is the origin of the fact that heat flows from hot to cold? Does it have something to do with fluctuations?
 
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This is part of the second law of thermodynamics. Entropy wants to reach equilibrium, to make the contents of the system a constant temperature.

Not sure what you mean by origin.
 
PrashantGokaraju said:
What is the origin of the fact that heat flows from hot to cold?

Isn't that just a definition?
 
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I'm not the person to explain the whole theory. You can ask Google or wait for another post here. But...

The answer here is essentially the same as this experiment: Take a box and carefully place many red and blue balls into the box so that all of the red balls are on one side and all of the blue balls are on the other side. Then shake the box. Observe the location of the different colors. If you imagine the red ones as hot molecules and the blue ones as cold molecules, this is a pretty good analogy.

Notice that the red didn't "move to the blue" and vice-versa, they just averaged out, moving at random to a new part of the box. It's not that the blue balls attract the red ones. It's just the nature of the world that when things are mixed up they tend towards uniform distributions.

Edit: Plus, it's the nature of the world that things do tend to get mixed up over time.
 
Consider a container with a removable wall in the middle. On the right are many gas molecules moving relatively slowly (cold). On the left are many gas molecules moving relatively quickly (hot). If we remove the wall the hot and cold molecules will begin to collide with each other. The hot molecules, upon collision with their cold counterparts, will transfer some of their speed and momentum and thus cool down. This means, of course, that the cold molecules heat up.

In order for heat to flow from the cold to the hot these collisions would require that the slow molecules move even slower after a collision and the fast molecules move even faster. This is an impossibility in isolated collisions, and a rarity in multi-body collisions.
 
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