Why dont we explode when we go indoors?

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The discussion revolves around the question of why humans do not experience harmful effects, such as exploding, when moving from outdoor environments with significant atmospheric pressure to indoor spaces, which may have different air pressure levels. Participants explore concepts related to atmospheric pressure, structural integrity of buildings, and the mechanics of air pressure in relation to human physiology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the impact of pressure differences when entering buildings, suggesting that a significant pressure difference could theoretically affect the human body.
  • Others argue that if the air pressure inside a building were significantly lower than outside, the building would collapse due to the weight of the air above it.
  • It is noted that air pressure is relatively consistent at ground level and that mountain climbers experience lower pressure at higher altitudes, which affects their physical performance.
  • Some participants assert that the pressure exerted by the ceiling is equal to the atmospheric pressure at the same height outside, and that this pressure does not change simply because of the ceiling's presence.
  • There is a discussion about the role of gravity and structural support in relation to air pressure, with some participants suggesting that the weight of the ceiling adds to the pressure experienced by the air beneath it.
  • Others clarify that the mechanical stresses within the ceiling do not influence the air pressure below unless the air is used to support the ceiling.
  • Some participants humorously remark on the absurdity of the original question, while others express a desire to understand the underlying physics better.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of pressure differences when entering buildings. There are competing views on the relationship between air pressure, gravity, and structural integrity, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the airtightness of buildings, the effects of gravity on air pressure, and the mechanical stresses within building structures, which remain unresolved.

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I mean we evolved under miles and miles of atmosphere pushing down on us then we walk inside a building, like 10 ft of air pressure, and we are fine? Wouldnt that big of a pressure difference have an impact on our bodies?
 
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If the air pressure inside a building were equivalent to only 10 feet of air, the building itself would collapse from the weight of the air above it, long before we have a chance to enter it.
 
Well above ground level the air pressure is pretty much the same everywhere it decreases with going higher up and increases when going lower.Although the official mark from which they count the pressure is sea level.
That's why mountain climbers have to be trained and physically capable because they do physical stuff where air pressure and oxygen is less , also that means you can inhale less air per breath than at lower altitudes.

P.S. When I first read the questions I was laughing :D:D:D I mean exploding people at their houses... :D
 
The pressure with which the ceiling is pushing down is not zero. It is the same as the outside pressure that exists 10 feet above the ground.
 
lundyjb said:
I mean we evolved under miles and miles of atmosphere pushing down on us then we walk inside a building, like 10 ft of air pressure, and we are fine? Wouldnt that big of a pressure difference have an impact on our bodies?

The building is not airtight nor is it perfectly rigid. The air inside is pressed upon by all the air around it so the air pressure is the same as it is outside. If you hook up a powerful fan or a vacuum you could reduce the pressure inside, but this would put stress on the building, especially where air is leaking in.
 
Chestermiller said:
The pressure with which the ceiling is pushing down is not zero. It is the same as the outside pressure that exists 10 feet above the ground.

Really?
 
the pressure I believe in the case of the ceiling would be the pressure of air at that height + the gravitational potential from the exact mass of the ceiling structure.
Now that is more than just air outside at the same height.

Just like a cylinder put upside down and the piston now facing it's rod upwards.Put some weight on the rod and the piston will get lower compressing the air beneath it because of the weight it now has.
 
Chestermiller said:
The pressure with which the ceiling is pushing down is not zero. It is the same as the outside pressure that exists 10 feet above the ground.

DrClaude said:
Really?

Yes, in the sense that there is a compressive stress through the thickness of the ceiling that is in equilibrium with the air pressure below and above it.

Of course this stress is so small compared (about 0.1MPa) compared with the failure stress of most materials (hundreds of MPa) that it is usually ignored.
 
Crazymechanic said:
the pressure I believe in the case of the ceiling would be the pressure of air at that height + the gravitational potential from the exact mass of the ceiling structure.
Now that is more than just air outside at the same height.

Just like a cylinder put upside down and the piston now facing it's rod upwards.Put some weight on the rod and the piston will get lower compressing the air beneath it because of the weight it now has.

Nope - this would be true if the air pressure inside the building is what was supporting the ceiling, but the ceiling is actually supported by the walls of the building. If the air pressure was supporting the ceiling, the pressure inside the building would be higher than outside the building, and every time someone opened a door, air would rush out of the building.
 
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yes the air would also come out and the piston would drop if someone mechanically opened a valve.
Well I didn't say that the air supports the ceiling which it couldn't I just said that there is a pressure which is that of air + that of gravity in the case of ceiling.yes the walls hold the ceiling but that doesn't switch or cancel out the pressure the structure has or exerts on the walls and to the ground together with the air upon it.
 
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The pressure of the air at the level of the ceiling is unaffected by the presence of the ceiling though - it'll be the same inside as it is outside at the same height. Internally within the ceiling, you can't really view it as just a pressure either (it'll be some combination of shear and normal stress, depending on the building design, and it won't simply be the weight of the ceiling per unit area - it'll probably be quite a bit higher than that).
 
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@cjl with all respect that is just semantics.
The point is what i wanted to say that you have air pressure and you have gravity which works just as much on the air by making it's pressure just as much on everything else.ceilings, iron H beams cars etc.
Now we may argue where does the ceiling pressure end , at the walls or connections to the walls or some other parts depending on different building construction methods but that doesn't change the fact that there is a pressure.
 
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With all respect, it isn't just semantics - the mechanical stresses within the ceiling (which are not simply pressures) don't affect the air underneath in any way unless the building is using the air to help support the ceiling.
 
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cjl said:
With all respect, it isn't just semantics - the mechanical stresses within the ceiling (which are not simply pressures) don't affect the air underneath in any way unless the building is using the air to help support the ceiling.

What you said is, of course, correct. The stress vector exerted by the air (acting on the ceiling) at the air/ceiling interface is just equal to the atmospheric pressure surrounding the building at an elevation of 10 ft, and it points upward. The stress vector exerted by the ceiling on the air at the air/ceiling interface has the same magnitude, and, by Newton's third law, points downward.
 
  • #15
Obviously, the OP must live outdoors, otherwise he would have felt that large pressure difference when walking indoors and promptly exploded.
 
  • #16
SteamKing said:
Obviously, the OP must live outdoors, otherwise he would have felt that large pressure difference when walking indoors and promptly exploded.

Well of course I knew i was wrong when I posted this. Just wanted to know why.
 
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lundyjb said:
Well of course I knew i was wrong when I posted this. Just wanted to know why.
The why is straightforward. Unless the structure is airtight, if there is any pressure difference then air will move in or out until the pressure difference is equalized.
 
  • #18
I wondered why you didn't have an airlock on your front door.
 

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