B Why is Carbon considered volatile?

AI Thread Summary
Carbon is considered volatile in planetary science despite its high sublimation point, primarily because it readily forms compounds that can outgas from magma or crust. This behavior is similar to how carbon is classified in climate science, encompassing all carbon-containing greenhouse gases rather than just elemental carbon. The discussion highlights that carbon can exist in various forms, such as carbonaceous chondrites, and can be stored in magma as diamond before being released as gases like CO2. The interaction of graphite with solar wind on the Moon illustrates that carbon can react and release gases without sublimating. Overall, carbon's classification as volatile stems from its chemical reactivity and ability to form gaseous compounds under certain conditions.
Qshadow
Messages
27
Reaction score
0
TL;DR Summary
Why Carbon is considered volatile in spite of its very high sublimation point?
Carbon is considered volatile by planetary science, eg Moon lacks volatiles and thus lacks carbon. However volatiles are defined as "elements or substances with low boiling point", but Carbon boiling point is very high! Its sublimation point is 3900K, so it should be refractory and not volatile.
I am confused why it is volatile with such high sublimation point.
Regards, Alex
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
Lacking a specific reference one can only surmise that "planetary science" is talking about hydrocarbons.
 
  • Like
Likes sophiecentaur, BillTre and Lord Jestocost
hutchphd said:
Lacking a specific reference one can only surmise that "planetary science" is talking about hydrocarbons.
I do not think they refer only to hydrocarbons, here are some links:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0079194677900064
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2017AGUFM.V22A..01M/abstract
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/96GL03931

all these papers talk about Carbon as element and not it's particular compounds (be it hydrocarbons, or CO, CO2).
It is like Carbon behaves al volatile always even in elemental form.
 
I believe much is in the form of carbonaceous Chondrites. After you read the article you will know as much as I do...carbon is very gregarious!
 
  • Like
Likes BillTre
I've only done some cursory reading. From what I see, it would appear that carbon in planetary sciences is treated as a volatile because it readily forms compounds that then outgas from magma (or crust in general).
Similar to how 'carbon' in climate science refers to all carbon-containing greenhouse gasses, even though none of them is elemental carbon.
The third source linked above (the only one not behind a paywall) talks about the uncertainty of what form does the carbon took (in 'the early surface volatiles' section).
The one below appears to be discussing speciation of magmatic volatiles, i.e. what forms does e.g. carbon take under different chemical conditions:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0016703720302763
This paper (section V) talks about carbon as a volatile that is 'stored' in magma as e.g. diamond and then outgassed as CO2.
http://www.geo.mtu.edu/EHaz/ConvergentPlatesClass/wallace/Wallace & Anderson (1999).pdf
 
  • Like
Likes BillTre and hutchphd
If you mix graphite with magma you will get carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide gas. Steel is made by taking iron oxide ore and mixing it with coke. Graphite will also react with water to form hydrogen and carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, hydrocarbons and/or carbohydrates depending on temperature and pressure.

A chunk of graphite sitting on the moon's surface will be bombarded by solar wind particles. The graphite is not subliming. It would be adsorbing and reacting with hydrogen or oxygen and then gassing off.
 
  • Like
Likes Qshadow
This thread is dedicated to the beauty and awesomeness of our Universe. If you feel like it, please share video clips and photos (or nice animations) of space and objects in space in this thread. Your posts, clips and photos may by all means include scientific information; that does not make it less beautiful to me (n.b. the posts must of course comply with the PF guidelines, i.e. regarding science, only mainstream science is allowed, fringe/pseudoscience is not allowed). n.b. I start this...
Asteroid, Data - 1.2% risk of an impact on December 22, 2032. The estimated diameter is 55 m and an impact would likely release an energy of 8 megatons of TNT equivalent, although these numbers have a large uncertainty - it could also be 1 or 100 megatons. Currently the object has level 3 on the Torino scale, the second-highest ever (after Apophis) and only the third object to exceed level 1. Most likely it will miss, and if it hits then most likely it'll hit an ocean and be harmless, but...
Back
Top