Why is the Height at Point A Considered to be 2R in a Loop-the-Loop Problem?

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The discussion revolves around a loop-the-loop problem involving a bead sliding without friction. The bead is released from a height of 3.50R, and participants are examining the speed at point A and the normal force acting on the bead. The context includes concepts from energy conservation and circular motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the reasoning behind considering the height at point A as 2R, noting that point A is at the top of the circle with radius R. There is also confusion regarding the application of Newton's second law in calculating the normal force.

Discussion Status

Some participants are seeking clarification on the assumptions made regarding the height at point A and the equations used in the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts involved, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants have noted the importance of the diagram for understanding the problem setup, and there is a request for access to it. The discussion also reflects a need for further explanation of the equations used in the solution attempts.

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Question:-
A bead slides without friction around a loop-the-loop (Please click on the below link for diagram). The bead is released from a height h = 3.50R. (a) What is its speed at point A? (b) How large is the normal force on it if its mass is 5.00 g?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wsd8g5q9d87undj/Loop Quest.png?dl=0

Homework Equations


(a) Potential Energy( at height 'h')=Kinetic Energy( at A)+Potential Energy( at A)

(b) Normal force + Weight of the bead = Centripetal force​

The Attempt at a Solution


(a)​
mgh=(½ mv2) + mghA
gh= (½ v2) + ghA
v2=2g( h- hA )=2(9.8)(3.5R-2R)=29.4R

v = √29.4R
(b)

N + mg = (mv2)/R
N = m {(v2/R)-(g)}
N = 0.005 {(29.4R/R)-(9.8)}
N = 0.098
My Professor has suggested the above solution but I want to know how can you take the height at point A to be 2R?
Similarly, I don't at all understand the equation for part(b) of the problem. Please explain your solutions with inline comments.

Thanks in advance! :)https://www.dropbox.com/s/wsd8g5q9d87undj/Loop%20Quest.png?dl=0
 
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Can you attach the diagram? (For those of us who cannot access dropbox.)
 
Dr. Who said:
Question:-
A bead slides without friction around a loop-the-loop (Please click on the below link for diagram). The bead is released from a height h = 3.50R. (a) What is its speed at point A? (b) How large is the normal force on it if its mass is 5.00 g?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wsd8g5q9d87undj/Loop Quest.png?dl=0

Homework Equations


(a) Potential Energy( at height 'h')=Kinetic Energy( at A)+Potential Energy( at A)

(b) Normal force + Weight of the bead = Centripetal force​

The Attempt at a Solution


(a)​
mgh=(½ mv2) + mghA
gh= (½ v2) + ghA
v2=2g( h- hA )=2(9.8)(3.5R-2R)=29.4R

v = √29.4R
(b)

N + mg = (mv2)/R
N = m {(v2/R)-(g)}
N = 0.005 {(29.4R/R)-(9.8)}
N = 0.098
My Professor has suggested the above solution but I want to know how can you take the height at point A to be 2R?
Similarly, I don't at all understand the equation for part(b) of the problem. Please explain your solutions with inline comments.

Thanks in advance! :)https://www.dropbox.com/s/wsd8g5q9d87undj/Loop%20Quest.png?dl=0
 

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Dr. Who said:
My Professor has suggested the above solution but I want to know how can you take the height at point A to be 2R?
Point A is at the top of the circle of radius R. Height is measured from the bottom of the circle.

Dr. Who said:
Similarly, I don't at all understand the equation for part(b) of the problem.
It's just an application of Newton's 2nd law.
 

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