Why is there a negative charge on the oxygen atom with the single bond?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of formal charge on oxygen atoms in molecular structures, specifically addressing why a negative charge appears on an oxygen atom with a single bond rather than on one with a double bond. Participants explore methods for counting electrons associated with each atom in a Lewis structure context.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the negative charge is on the oxygen with a single bond instead of the one with a double bond.
  • Several participants suggest counting electrons using a method where shared electrons are counted as half for each atom.
  • There is confusion regarding the counting method, with requests for clarification on how to apply it correctly.
  • Participants emphasize the importance of correctly counting the total number of electrons, including those shared in bonds.
  • One participant points out a calculation error in the total number of electrons counted from the left atom with a double bond.
  • Disagreement arises over the approach to counting electrons, with some participants expressing frustration over the lack of clarity in explanations.
  • Formal charge is mentioned as a relevant concept, but its application remains unclear to some participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the counting method or the application of formal charge, and the discussion remains unresolved with ongoing confusion and differing interpretations of the counting process.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unclear definitions of terms like "dots" and "bars" in the context of resonance structures, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the counting process.

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Please post this type of questions in homework section using the template.
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My question is that why is the negative charge on the oxygen atom with the single bond, why not on the oxygen atom with the double bond? I am confused.
Source: https://chem-net.blogspot.in/2012/01/simple-procedure-for-writing-lewis.html
 

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Count the electrons ... (use factor 0.5 for shared electrons)
 
BvU said:
Count the electrons ... (use factor 0.5 for shared electrons)
I don't understand what you mean. Could you make your point easier, please? Could you tell me the method, please?
 
For each atom count electrons "belonging" to that atom, if an electron is shared by two atoms, count it as half.
 
Borek said:
For each atom count electrons "belonging" to that atom, if an electron is shared by two atoms, count it as half.
Still, I don't understand how to count. Could you clarify it, please?
 
Each dot is a single electron, each bar is a bond - so two shared electrons.

How many dots on the left atom? How many shared electrons on the left atom? Just add.
 
Borek said:
Each dot is a single electron, each bar is a bond - so two shared electrons.

How many dots on the left atom? How many shared electrons on the left atom? Just add.
If I count from the left atom with the double bond, 4 dots, and two shared electrons, total electrons are 8. now what to do next, sir?
 
Indranil said:
4 dots, and two shared electrons, total electrons are 8

4+2 is not 8.

How many electrons should be present on the valence shell in a neutral, isolated oxygen atom?
 
It should be 6 electrons. Now what to do next, sir?
 
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Don't "sir" me.

As I wrote - your calculations are off, correct them. And use the same approach to calculate number of electrons on other oxygen atoms.
 
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Borek said:
Don't "sir" me.

As I wrote - your calculations are off, correct them. And use the same approach to calculate number of electrons on other oxygen atoms.
Still, I am confused. Could you calculate, please?
 
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I am not going to spoon feed you, sorry. You will either try, or you will not learn anything.
 
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Borek said:
I am not going to spoon feed you, sorry. You will either try, or you will not learn anything.
How to try. could you give me some formula?.
 
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What formula do you need to count the dots on the picture?
 
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Borek said:
What formula do you need to count the dots on the picture?
Formal charge.
 
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I have no idea what you mean now.

You were told to count electrons, you even did it - you just made a trivial mistake when adding two numbers. Please reread the thread, you were told what to do several times. If you know what the dots and bars on the resonance structure are the task is trivial.
 

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